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A lot can happen in 4 years of comics and when it comes to the love lives of the X-Men, a lot has happened (and we're not just talking about Iceman!). Here at UXN, we are proud to release our valentines treat just for you with our updated Relationship map for 2018! Just don't question What Wolverine is really the best at, the evidence is clear!
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Holy crap that thing is impressive. One minor quibble: The line between Scott and Colleen should be red or even purple, not orange. They went on several dates, and she gave him a key to her apartment.
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Jeez just can’t catch a break! Lol only messing. I may have made a mistake with the color when I rebuilt the map so will get fixed soon as
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If the only thing wrong on that chart is the difference between flirting and two dates in a 1978 sub plot, I think y’all can pat yourselves on the back.
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I’ve personally been questioning whether I could justify a green arrow from prof x to jean grey based on those early issues.

However the standout addition this time round was adding the threesome between Stacey x , ultimate nullifier and sugar Kane.
We couldn’t believe that sugar Kane had reappeared
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Out of curiosity, what’s the story source for the green arrow from Magneto to Jean? Or is it just the assumption that everyone has been in love with Jean one point or another?
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Honestly right now I couldn’t tell you it was identified for the first release, so one of the other members of the team maybe able to comment.
Interestingly the magneto - wasp has changed a few time over versions and all comes down to interpretation of their liaison in the original secret wars
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My recollection is that Jan was stringing him along as a spy/hostage. If there was any genuine spark. It was one directional.

I sense a project. A list below the chart that cites the relevant issues.
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Nu-D wrote: 15 Feb 2018, 00:41 My recollection is that Jan was stringing him along as a spy/hostage. If there was any genuine spark. It was one directional.

I sense a project. A list below the chart that cites the relevant issues.
This update is the perfect time and place for me to make a suggestion. It came to me during my reading of Rogue & Gambit #2 when they were talking about the first time they met. I actually stopped reading the issue because I realized that I should know when Rogue and Gambit met since my first contact with the X-Men comics was during the return of Professor X from space passing through the Muir Island Saga and the beginning of the Gold and Blue teams. As I scrambled to remember how their first meeting happened and trying to find the info I needed in the internet I realized that if the site had a Spotlight-like section dedicated to the relationships it would have solved the problem. Before anyone thinks I'm suggesting to cover ALL relationships, I'm not. Only those relationships that lasted for years, through various titles and creators should be covered.

Taking Rogue and Gambit as an example, I know that they flirted a lot, shared a kiss during the Age of Apocalipse crossover, Rogue left him in Antarctica, there was Joseph somewhere in there, they got back together in X-Treme then they broke up, God knows why because I can't remember. In fact, due to the relationship's length of over two decades, it is hard to remember all the details.

Another example of this difficulty is Jean/Scott. And I have a specific event in mind. I was reading the first 24 issues of X-Factor in preparation for Phoenix Resurrection and I realized how much is glossed over about Jean returning, the sinking of Scott/Maddie and Jean/Scott getting back together. If you read any kind of summary in the internet about that period of time it usually sounds like Scott left Maddie in the first issue and by the end of the second issue Scott and Jean were back together. In reality, Layton and Simonson dragged that plot line for issues, milking the angst for all its worth. But because we are dealing with a relationship as old as the X-Men itself, it is hard to find a detailed explanation.

I know it would be a huge undertaking, specially for those relationships spanning decades, but once upon a time so was Spotlighting all the X-Men characters and look what the site has achieved.
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Hi Cosmos666. Can I direct your attention to our Summer Loving article? Its not a comprehensive summary of all characters but it does provide a full summary of the romances of the Summers Clan
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May I also suggest:
LADIES OF LOGAN'S LIFE : https://uncannyxmen.net/character-relat ... ogans-life
TIL DEATH DO US PART ... AND BEYOND (the love story of Jean and Scott) : https://uncannyxmen.net/character-relat ... -and-scott

I would also argue that some of the elements that you mention exist in the spotlights of those characters.

Not to put a downer on the idea, its a good idea (and as you can see we had already thought of it :) ) but like many of the articles on the site, it comes down to whether someone is interested in writing it. We're always open to new contributors willing to put the time and effort it into research and writing up an article, so if you're interested feel free to get in touch
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ok some minor updates made

colleen has switched to purple. while they've never been on panel exchanging saliva, it appears they had a relationship ( we even refer to it in the summer lovin' article.

also added in the missing red line to carol Danvers from Dr Michael Barnett (top left)
and had completely forgotten to include the impact of the Spider-Man & the x-men mini series Hellion -shark girl > both Sauron & stegron (bottom left)
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@Cosmos,

Rogue & Gambit met during the Muir Island Saga. She made her way there from the Savage Land off panel and was possessed by the Shadow King. He arrived with the team that formed in Genosha during the Xtinction Agenda.

They were on the Blue team together and started flirting by #8, after CC and Byrne had left, when Lee had full writing duties.

Anyhow, my idea was something less than a full-fledged article. More like just a list of the relationships on the chart, and an issue citation for the various categories, first met, relationship began, relationship revealed in flashback, married, etc. If a master list of the relationships on the chart already exists, it could be put in google drive and we could crowdsource tracking down the issue numbers.

Two other notes: there’s a blonde headshot under Namor with no name. Is that a mistake or is she a pictured but unnamed character?

The other is that maybe there should be a green line from Rogue to Michael Rossi. When Carol’s memories first surfaced in Rogue, she felt some romantic connection to Rossi. And though the memories were Carol’s, Rogue still was the dominant personality at the time. Carol did not learn to take full control of Rogue’s body until much later, in the Genosha story IIRC. This is clearly debatable, but I fall on the “include” side of the debate.
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Gibbering Fool wrote: 15 Feb 2018, 07:21 Hi Cosmos666. Can I direct your attention to our Summer Loving article? Its not a comprehensive summary of all characters but it does provide a full summary of the romances of the Summers Clan
Dean Clayton wrote: 15 Feb 2018, 07:49 May I also suggest:
LADIES OF LOGAN'S LIFE : https://uncannyxmen.net/character-relat ... ogans-life
TIL DEATH DO US PART ... AND BEYOND (the love story of Jean and Scott) : https://uncannyxmen.net/character-relat ... -and-scott

I would also argue that some of the elements that you mention exist in the spotlights of those characters.

Not to put a downer on the idea, its a good idea (and as you can see we had already thought of it :) ) but like many of the articles on the site, it comes down to whether someone is interested in writing it. We're always open to new contributors willing to put the time and effort it into research and writing up an article, so if you're interested feel free to get in touch.
The TIL DEATH DO US PART ... AND BEYOND (the love story of Jean and Scott) is more or less what I suggested.
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@nu-d I was actually thinking of working on that as an additional page of the relationship map, so if you are interested in helping out that would be cool.

I need to tweak the map again - need to change robin - jubilee and I missed the Hawkeye - Jessica link as well, so I’ll sort out the headshot - I think I accidentally deleted the name as I was shifting the lines around.
I’d have to read the issue with rogue and rossi
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re: Rogue and Rossi - I think this was a clear case of Carol's personality influencing Rogue's emotions and reactions. At the time, Rogue was exhausted from flying halfway across the world and when she received a desperate call for help from Rossi, she began to react as Carol for the first time. Given that Rogue had never met Rossi, it was clearly Carol's psyche in the driver's seat. This was not as clearly depicted as Carol being in charge as it was after this initial incident. Check out my article Dual Identities/Identity Duel for more insight into the Rogue/Carol dynamic.
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Nu-D wrote: 14 Feb 2018, 21:31 Out of curiosity, what’s the story source for the green arrow from Magneto to Jean? Or is it just the assumption that everyone has been in love with Jean one point or another?
I think I remember around X-Men #63, when the original 5 meet Magneto in the Savage Land and Lorelei has entranced the male members, Magneto invites Jean to join him.
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Dean Clayton wrote: 15 Feb 2018, 17:46 @nu-d I was actually thinking of working on that as an additional page of the relationship map, so if you are interested in helping out that would be cool.

I need to tweak the map again - need to change robin - jubilee and I missed the Hawkeye - Jessica link as well, so I’ll sort out the headshot - I think I accidentally deleted the name as I was shifting the lines around.
I’d have to read the issue with rogue and rossi
Sure. If there’s a list of the relationships and we can make a spreadsheet, I’ll look up some of the incidents and fill in issue numbers.
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ermmm..... there is a map you can use to create a list of the relationships :)
I've got a short list for the latest additions but that is only 30 or so. Being one of the older articles, that used to be a pain to manage ( and seems to suffer have to be rebuilt every time) any list would be lost to the history books
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