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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Gibbering Fool » 16 Jul 2017, 21:19

Brilliant! I think this is great.

The internet makes me sad and angry sometimes; almost immediately after the announcements there were comments about how its political correctness and social justice gone wrong *eyeroll*. Sadly there were also comments that it hasnt gone far enough and they shoud've hired a non-causasian woman. Can't please everyone.

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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Spectral Knight » 16 Jul 2017, 21:34

I don't know the actress at all. I was hoping the Tilda Swinton rumours were correct if we were seeing a Time Lady take on the title character but at least Whittaker will end all future discussions about whether it is right or wrong for a woman to take the role. My slight worry with the trend of falling ratings (not representative of quality, this series has been one of the best for me, and while Capaldi's debut was crap, especially in contrast to his immediate predecessor, has grown and grown in the role) plus a change in head writer if she's viewed critically the show could end up on hiatus and the woman Doctor critics will have an unfair stick to wield.

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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Blackcyclops » 16 Jul 2017, 21:38

This season has been imo one of the best period (Heaven Sent is easily top 3 best Doctor Who episodes for me alongside Blink and Midnight and just edging out The Eleventh Hour).

My take is that any great actor/actress could be awesome...But I also know that there's other factors involved beyond just their race/ethnicity/gender. The person has to be British (or what do you call a person from the United Kingdom? A UK'er? ), has to want the position, have the availability and desire to commit to the job, and be good...

Jodie Whittaker is an AMAZING actress...I would've been happy with Colin Salmon (my dream Doctors are Idris Elba or Patrick Stewart or Hellen Mirren LOL) or any number of male, white, female, East-Asian thespians. I'm just glad they chose someone who is a stellar performer and has experience with the showrunner.
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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Gibbering Fool » 17 Jul 2017, 08:20

I always get a chuckle with every new Doctor when I read the comments of surprise the actor is (relative) unknown. All the articles that list out their theorised top condenters of film stars and big name tv stars are always way off.

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Re: Doctor Who

Post by MartijnB » 17 Jul 2017, 08:25

May I just say for a second that I am a bit disappointed to see the discussion about the gender, from both sides of the debate at that, COMPLETELY eclipses all judgment of Jodie as an individual actor?

Not here, btw, just everywhere else.

We know how regeneration works and in this gender has become a complete non-issue for me. If I would have to comment on it all I can say I thoroughly enjoy a good punch in the face of all the misogynists.

Which does lead me to Spectral Knight's concern. New showrunner, new Doctor, falling ratings as it is, if we'll see the swansong of the show the misogynists will win in the long run, god forbid.

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Post by EphemeristX » 17 Jul 2017, 14:06

That's the gambit things always risk in that regard. If anything goes bad, naysayers are going to say it's your fault because you changed something that was perfectly fine. As if growth isn't its own reward.
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Re: Doctor Who

Post by tokenBG1009 » 18 Jul 2017, 06:50

The new Doctor situation is the same thing Marvel has been going through with the added bonus that it makes even less sense considering this is a person who changes his personality every time he dies.
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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Blackcyclops » 18 Jul 2017, 10:41

tokenBG1009 wrote:
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The new Doctor situation is the same thing Marvel has been going through with the added bonus that it makes even less sense considering this is a person who changes his personality every time he dies.
Like literally....you cast aside skin color and genitalia, every Doctor is fundamentally a different person with a basic general framework. Whittaker will be the same, just instead of just changing age, height, weight, eye color, hair color, accent and fashion, they're changing genitalia.
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Re: Doctor Who

Post by tokenBG1009 » 18 Jul 2017, 12:30

It's basically "MUH TRADITION!" with these people.
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Re: Doctor Who

Post by medium13 » 18 Jul 2017, 14:42

I'm concerned about the new Dr. Who being a woman. How will the show be dramatic or build suspense if she can solve the problems in half the time of her male counterparts?

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Post by EphemeristX » 18 Jul 2017, 15:08

medium13 wrote:
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I'm concerned about the new Dr. Who being a woman. How will the show be dramatic or build suspense if she can solve the problems in half the time of her male counterparts?
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Post by Cable » 18 Jul 2017, 16:36

EphemeristX wrote:
17 Jul 2017, 14:06
That's the gambit things always risk in that regard. If anything goes bad, naysayers are going to say it's your fault because you changed something that was perfectly fine. As if growth isn't its own reward.
And there is also the opposite bias, some will decide this is a critically-acclaimed season before an episode airs, because to not do so is to invite the naysayers. It reminds me of a quote I saw on Twitter from a lady who was commenting on the reports of Wonder Woman's success by saying the real progress will be when it is ok for a female director to fail. And looking forward to a time when politics won't automatically be infused into this sort of thing and they can just be judged on their merits, sadly I can't see it. It is far beyond the horizon. Maybe after we all download our brains into genderless raceless robots...
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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Blackcyclops » 18 Jul 2017, 16:59

I hope the writers don't try too hard to be "against type" and take out all flirting from the show. I know some people disliked Ten and Rose but I adore Eleven and River's flirting and Twelve and Missy. Both situations were a mash up of awkwardness, innuendo and humor. I could watch Missy and the Master flirt for hours lol...at one point my fiancée walked in and just asked me "are they about to f*** or what? Cause this is making me hot" lol
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Post by EvilMonkeyPope » 18 Jul 2017, 23:57

My main concern is that I’ve not been impressed by new showrunner Chris Chibnall’s previous Doctor Who, Torchwood, or Broadchurch episodes. They should’ve picked Patrick Ness for his surprisingly & consistently great Class. Don’t bollocks this up, Chibnall! Hating the latest showrunner is a proud Whovian tradition! https://mattthecatania.wordpress.com/20 ... o-team-up/
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Re: Doctor Who

Post by MartijnB » 22 Aug 2017, 11:28

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/brad ... irror_main

unconfirmed, but, man what a fun choice, I am getting excited for this pairing

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Post by LockheedAndLoaded » 22 Aug 2017, 14:38

EvilMonkeyPope wrote:
18 Jul 2017, 23:57
My main concern is that I’ve not been impressed by new showrunner Chris Chibnall’s previous Doctor Who, Torchwood, or Broadchurch episodes. They should’ve picked Patrick Ness for his surprisingly & consistently great Class. Don’t bollocks this up, Chibnall! Hating the latest showrunner is a proud Whovian tradition! https://mattthecatania.wordpress.com/20 ... o-team-up/
To appease naysayers, Daleks are being redesigned: https://www.thebeaverton.com/2017/07/ap ... ble-penis/

I liked Broadchurch, but Chibnall's work on Doctor Who leaves me a little skeptical. Before he was in charge, Moffat had done "Blink" and "Silence n the Library". Chibnall's given us.... "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship". Still, I'm just excited to see to show return.

Now that you mention it, Ness would've been an interesting choice.
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Post by EvilMonkeyPope » 29 Dec 2017, 02:32

My main issue with Doctor Who’s “Twice Upon A Time” is that I’m not a fan of Time Lords being able to will themselves not to regenerate (or regenerate only after a soliloquy) that’s cropped up in the revived series. The First & Twelfth (technically Thirteenth) Doctors regenerating is a forgone conclusion, so listening to the two angst about it for unclear reasons isn’t dramatic. Twelve’s goodbye speech was too long & meta in a similar way to Ten’s protracted fan service exit. So the plot was pretty thin. https://mattthecatania.wordpress.com/20 ... -of-water/

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Post by Cyke » 30 Dec 2017, 16:26

So in the same episode that has Jodie Whittaker taking over the title role, Moffatt decides to highlight the First Doctor as being a male chauvinistic pig.

That really is unfair to Hartnell who had his issues but not necessarily that one (or at least to that degree).

For what it's worth, I thought the brief glimpses of Whittaker were great, has me really excited for what is upcoming.
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Post by Blackcyclops » 29 Sep 2018, 11:57

https://www.cbr.com/doctor-who-woman-first-look-clip/

This clip alone makes her one of favorite doctors easily! Lol
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Post by Nu-D » 29 Sep 2018, 17:27

Blackcyclops wrote:
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https://www.cbr.com/doctor-who-woman-first-look-clip/

This clip alone makes her one of favorite doctors easily! Lol
Very reminiscent of Matt Smith’s opening scenes in “The Girl Who Waited.”

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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Blackcyclops » 29 Sep 2018, 17:56

Now I like Matt Smith but she has a more playful energy (remins me of the 4th Doc) that draws me in.
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Post by Nu-D » 29 Sep 2018, 19:27

Blackcyclops wrote:
29 Sep 2018, 17:56
Now I like Matt Smith but she has a more playful energy (remins me of the 4th Doc) that draws me in.
The trailer is 1 minute. There's definitely more than 1 minute of Smith being "playful" in The Girl Who Waited."

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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Blackcyclops » 29 Sep 2018, 20:37

Nu-D wrote:
29 Sep 2018, 19:27
Blackcyclops wrote:
29 Sep 2018, 17:56
Now I like Matt Smith but she has a more playful energy (remins me of the 4th Doc) that draws me in.

The trailer is 1 minute. There's definitely more than 1 minute of Smith being "playful" in The Girl Who Waited."

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Huh? I’m confused by your reply. I’m noy saying I dislike Matt or anything but Matt’s Doctor always had that darkness aimmering beneath it. Even in his first appearance there was something alittle dangerous underlying it. That’s a bit less gloom here, so far anyway.
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Post by Nu-D » 30 Sep 2018, 00:01

I’m saying a one minute sample size doesn’t tell you anything. There are lots of minutes in Smith’s debut that are just as “playful” with no sign of “gloom.” In fact, it’s the “playfulness” in this trailer that reminds me of the playfulness in The Girl Who Waited, which has this great scene with Smith trying a bunch of foods to figure out what he likes: https://youtu.be/Oo2RKAHu-kI

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Post by Blackcyclops » 30 Sep 2018, 01:41

I always felt a bit of danger from Smith...part of it comes from his face. Even smiling he looks alil dangerous and schemy...it’s his eyes and brow. So even in that relatively light episode, there was this darkness and embrace of it that weighed him down and really helped differentiate him from Tennant. But whatevs...
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