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X-Force #6

Post by Blackcyclops » 29 Jan 2020, 12:53

Damn...okay, I like THIS Beast.

And also Plant Nimrod is kinda terrifying, if you think about it.
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Re: X-Force #6

Post by tokenBG1009 » 29 Jan 2020, 13:33

Oh Hank, how I continue to hate you.

He needs to walk up to Scott and apologize for giving him so much shit for X-Force.
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Re: X-Force #6

Post by das_boot » 29 Jan 2020, 14:33

Issue of the week for me. Jean was given more character development in three panels than she’s had for the entire series so far, and any of the other issues she’s been in too.

I liked Beast’s summation of the team, and it’s very interesting to hear how he justifies the existence and management of X-Force when, as Token said, he was previously the largest critic of Scott’s clandestine version of the team. It’s interesting that his morals have shifted so, but this narration felt like Hank at his most scientific. This isn’t emotional for him, this is something that, as he sees it, *MUST* be done. It’s an interesting take on him, that I feel will entirely come back to haunt him.
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Re: X-Force #6

Post by Aeon » 29 Jan 2020, 15:33

Get her out of that old costume. She looks like Sailor .. something.

Oh God, Black Tom is so attracitve.

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Re: X-Force #6

Post by Blackcyclops » 29 Jan 2020, 15:49

Aeon wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 15:33
Get her out of that old costume. She looks like Sailor .. something.

Oh God, Black Tom is so attracitve.

Pleaseeee get her into something else.

She doesn’t even fit in with the rest of the X-Men costume wise either.
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Re: X-Force #6

Post by Aeon » 29 Jan 2020, 16:26

:lol: :lol:

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Re: X-Force #6

Post by Flapflop » 29 Jan 2020, 17:46

Damn, this was bad ass. Even more 'sick' then Cyclops X-force and Wolverines Uncanny X-force

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So apparently Xavier let himself killed in issue one
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Re: X-Force #6

Post by Anna Raven » 29 Jan 2020, 23:19

Blackcyclops wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 12:53
Damn...okay, I like THIS Beast.

And also Plant Nimrod is kinda terrifying, if you think about it.
I like this Beast way better than sad sack Beast. But of course they had to go and give him a degree of hubris to go with his confidence and that kind of spoiled it.
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Re: X-Force #6

Post by tokenBG1009 » 29 Jan 2020, 23:50

Flapflop wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 17:46
Damn, this was bad ass. Even more 'sick' then Cyclops X-force and Wolverines Uncanny X-force

X-force the best series of Dawn of X
Spoiler: show
So apparently Xavier let himself killed in issue one
Don't think your spoiler is true.
Spoiler: show
Xavier didn't LET himself die, but he welcomed it to be able to show them this wasn't his world, but one he'd created for him
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Re: X-Force #6

Post by Blackcyclops » 29 Jan 2020, 23:59

Anna Raven wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 23:19
Blackcyclops wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 12:53
Damn...okay, I like THIS Beast.

And also Plant Nimrod is kinda terrifying, if you think about it.
I like this Beast way better than sad sack Beast. But of course they had to go and give him a degree of hubris to go with his confidence and that kind of spoiled it.



That’s why I liked it...

Hubris is integral to his DNA...since he experimented on himself, that flaw has always been intertwined with Beast at his best for me. And here he’s acting very cold and calculating but with the best of intentions for the Krakoans.

I also, and I’ll prolly be alone here, don’t think he’s being entirely hypocritical here in relation to how he acted toward Cyclops in regards to his X-Force.

@Token: Naw I agree with Flap here, I think he did allow it to happen.
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Re: X-Force #6

Post by tokenBG1009 » 30 Jan 2020, 00:29

Really? The only difference is mutantkind isn't on the brink of extinction and the fact Hank knows about it. Did Hank just want to be included?
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Re: X-Force #6

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tokenBG1009 wrote:
30 Jan 2020, 00:29
Really? The only difference is mutantkind isn't on the brink of extinction and the fact Hank knows about it. Did Hank just want to be included?
Remember Hank wasnt as angry with Logan about UXF because he included him (and Logan didn’t include kids either).

But no, I believe that Hank isn’t as hypocritical as I think he could be because of the overall structure that this X-Force exists in.

With Cyclops, rightly so at the time, every decision was made unilaterally. In this instance, while Beast is making some big choices, the overall process feels more collaborative and less like a religious zealot’s mission (like X-Force felt at times) and more like a very real world intelligence operation.
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Re: X-Force #6

Post by InsipidLust » 30 Jan 2020, 02:28

Thought Beast was compelling as a character here, and absolutely a motherf*cker I cant stand as a person.
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Re: X-Force #6

Post by das_boot » 30 Jan 2020, 02:58

Token, you seem to be taking this very personally.

Would you like a hug?

Nah, but seriously, I get it. I can see where you’re coming from. For me? This feels like Hank expressing himself at his most scientific. Okay, there’s the allusions to an orchestra and that’s all pretty prose, but his inner monologue was so... hm. I don’t want to say flat, because that would liken it to X-Men, but certainly I’d say it felt just factual.

Do I think Hank is being a hypocrite of the highest order? I surely do. Do I think that he’s rationalising his actions and those of X-Force in such a way that he’s justifying the ends by the means of protecting the advancements that Krakoa can offer and his part in those? ABSOBLOODYLUTELY.

Is he wrong?... that’s a tougher question to answer
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Re: X-Force #6

Post by tokenBG1009 » 30 Jan 2020, 03:09

Disclaimer: I have a particular hate boner for Hank. He makes incredibly stupid decisions, sometimes unilaterally. His decision in IVX is an example where he discovers there's no way for mutants to co-exist with the Terrigen Clouds, but makes no effort to inform the Inhumans of this. He was brought in specifically by the Inhumans for that reason.

There's also the cluster**** that was the O5.
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On this issue...

Hank reminds me so much of what I particularly dislike about this whole shindig. There's no emotion. There's no heart. I understand the threat they are facing and why they are doing what they're doing, but I find it entirely unsettling with how dispassionate they are about it. Jean was the standout star of this issue for me purely because she seemed to have SOME reservations regarding her actions. Logan and Domino are killers so I expect little from them. Quire has voiced his thoughts on the superiority to humans, but he seemed TOO gleeful in his actions. Hank and Jean aren't killers though so while I'm happy we got SOMETHING from Jean I wish we'd got more from Hank. It's been near 24 hours since I read it so maybe I'm forgetting something though.

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I don't think he LET it happen. He simply found good cause for it in what it has done for his nation. The wheel will continue to turn without him and now his children have seen that.
This book, seemingly, just won't be the book that is going to touch on the emotional ramifications of what they do here. It's violent and it's nasty, but that seems to be what it's supposed to be. Mercifully, the story is good as well. It's not the worst of Dawn of X (Fallen Angels), but it's firmly in the lower half for me. Granted, this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who's read my opinion on books in the last...ever. These books will never hold a high place in my opinion.
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Re: X-Force #6

Post by Omnicon » 30 Jan 2020, 16:40

Has Colossus appeared so far? Can’t remember seeing him in this series.

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Re: X-Force #6

Post by Blackcyclops » 30 Jan 2020, 16:49

But what kind of emotional ramifications are you exactly looking for? Like this book is cold, only as so far as X-Force books since Manifest Destiny have all had a touch of coldness and ruthlessness to them. That doesn’t mean they’re devoid of emotions they are just not melodramatic or soapy (or at least not as soapy as a usual X-Men titled series).

I mean we’ve touched on Domino’s rage from her abduction.

Logan and Quire had a conversation, albeit brief but telling. That really touched on their views. Logan felt very much like Logan and Quire felt like himself.

I mean what in particular did you want from Beast? Not bring snarky or anything but asking genuinely. This has been the first singular viewpoint issue and I think it wonderfully showed us Beast’s frame of mind here. I think it’s telling it starts with him viewing himself kind of detached from things as the conductor.

Honestly, the more I talk about it the more I like the issue.
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Re: X-Force #6

Post by tokenBG1009 » 30 Jan 2020, 23:38

This might be what I mean when I talk about X-Force, and pretty much every X-Force book except V1, not being for me. I have little desire to watch a bunch of people kill without remorse. In opposition to you liking the issue more as you talk about it it's making me realize the book isn't for me. Which is disappointing because the premise is something I'm interested in. I just don't like the character behavior.

Hank: Will never be anything I want because the character of Hank is someone I just flat out hate
Logan: Is exactly what he is. I accept this and actually enjoy him because sometimes he shows he can be MORE.
Jean: I expect to be the conscious/heart of the team. She showed hesitance in this so it's possible she will be there.
Quire: Sucks.
Domino: Is Domino.

The more I think about it the more I realize no one is acting out of character. They're just doing what they'd do in this situation. I'll give it the Hickman Compliment: It's a very well written book, but I don't like it.
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Re: X-Force #6

Post by Bigstever » 31 Jan 2020, 14:31

Omnicon wrote:
30 Jan 2020, 16:40
Has Colossus appeared so far? Can’t remember seeing him in this series.
Colossus was in the first issue or two I think. He was injured off panel in Russia (?) And on his way back to Krakoa.
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Re: X-Force #6

Post by Omnicon » 31 Jan 2020, 14:52

Bigstever wrote:
31 Jan 2020, 14:31
Omnicon wrote:
30 Jan 2020, 16:40
Has Colossus appeared so far? Can’t remember seeing him in this series.
Colossus was in the first issue or two I think. He was injured off panel in Russia (?) And on his way back to Krakoa.
Ah ok, thanks.

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Re: X-Force #6

Post by Flapflop » 31 Jan 2020, 15:31

Omnicon wrote:
31 Jan 2020, 14:52
Bigstever wrote:
31 Jan 2020, 14:31
Omnicon wrote:
30 Jan 2020, 16:40
Has Colossus appeared so far? Can’t remember seeing him in this series.
Colossus was in the first issue or two I think. He was injured off panel in Russia (?) And on his way back to Krakoa.
Ah ok, thanks.
I thin i read somewhere he will have a special part in it, just not yet in the beginning
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Re: X-Force #6

Post by znop » 31 Jan 2020, 18:44

Biological Plant Nimrod/Sentinels, really? So, when are we gonna see the mutant hunting plants fight the robotic mutant hunters?

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Re: X-Force #6

Post by norwichchris » 01 Feb 2020, 10:54

I like Beasts shift in personality did see it coming, he seems a lot darker and more willing to compromise than before we did some of this in dark beast. But he does seem to be a little bit incompetent all the time.

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Re: X-Force #6

Post by Blackcyclops » 01 Feb 2020, 13:14

znop wrote:
31 Jan 2020, 18:44
Biological Plant Nimrod/Sentinels, really? So, when are we gonna see the mutant hunting plants fight the robotic mutant hunters?
Yesssssssss

How was Beast incompetent here?
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Re: X-Force #6

Post by Aeon » 01 Feb 2020, 13:18

I think he meant that Beast isn’t that genius anymore, like he used to be.

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