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Iceman #2

Post by InsipidLust » 10 Oct 2018, 15:05

So, our story continues as follows...
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-Emma, who used her telepathic powers to sneak into the Xavier Institute (kind of), lets Iceman know she needs his help for a "sensitive matter."

- Iceman refuses and tells her to get out, saying that, once upon a time, she'd done the same to him.

- Before Iceman can continue berating her, he wakes up from a psychic trance and finds that Emma has escorted him away from the mansion and toward the streets of New York, where she continues to tell him about what she needs.

- Kitty appears and demands that Iceman freeze Emma, and that Emma keep away from him. It's strangely not that serious given that Emma was supposed to be "on the run" from these people, but anyway. Iceman says he's going to help her because the cause is a noble one. Kitty insists that he trust nobody.

- Emma reveals that her father, Winston (who I'm surprised to find alive for whatever reason), has withdrawn her brother Christian from conversion therapy and intends to name him his heir. Emma suspects that Winston has nefarious motives. She reveals to Iceman that she went to take care of matters herself, but that WInston was able to repel her from the Frost household using powers she didn't know he had. She's recruited Iceman because she believes his increased ice-powers will make him more resistant to telepathic intrusion and his people skills will help her to break through with the light touch she needs.

- They arrive at the Frost household. I think they, like, break in or something. Regardless, Christian is there and wondering what the big deal is. Everything is fine! Except, Emma doesn't think so. She demands to know where Winston is and what he's done to Christian.

- It's mentioned that Emma always knew Bobby was gay, but chose not to out him because she felt for him (thanks to her history with her brother) and because messing with him over his sexuality wasn't really a top priority of hers at any point. Fair enough.

- This leads to her busting into a locked door where she discovers Winston Frost's dead body. Christian murdered him.

- Even stranger? The "Winston" with the powers before was actually a psychic manifestation of Christian's telepathic/telekinetic gifts (one presumes, because that manifestation proceeds to start beating Emma and Bobby up and breaking shit, but who knows...)

- Bobby says while he knows Emma can't break into Christian's mind, he wants her to try "pushing" Christin's mind into his so they have a neutral space to talk. Emma tries it and it works. Whatever.

- In Iceman's "Ice-Land" (lol), they go chasing after Christian and Winston Frost in Iceman's mind. Emma falls into a trap briefly while Iceman hunts for Christian. Eventually, that leads them to a hall of mirrors—but Bobby can't break through to Christian.

- Emma escapes that trap I mentioned and bolts past Bobby. She uses the house of mirrors in Bobby's mind to show Christian the things he has in common with Bobby, including some family dynamics. She notes that Bobby's family wasn't necessarily as bad as hers, but that they caused him to develop a lot of neurosis that he's only started to overcome with the help of his loving chosen family in the X-Men... a dynamic of which Emma sees herself as a part of, as she claims she helped Bobby by giving him "tough love dealt with a firm hand".

- Christian is at first outraged, and asks why Emma never came to help her. She doesn't say too much, but essentially implies that she was busy making decisions that had ramifications too great for her to be involved with Christian... and that making those decisions were selfish. She says that it will break her heart if she cannot help Christian pull himself back together.

- Christian decides to forgive Emma, and they agree to try to mend things. Bobby escorts them out of his mind using an ice-psy-block thing. Emma mentions that his knew psychic block is far superior to a previous vulnerability he had, which saw him ruminating nervously about a kiss he had in california one time.

- In the waking world, Emma and Christian embrace. Iceman asks what's next. Emma says that the X-Men's involvement where Christian is concerned is done, and that she'll be departing to take over Frost technologies (her father's company, which may be a way of putting her back in charge of a business since the assets at Frost international were liquidated some years ago). She will also take charge of training Christian to control his mutant abilities. She leaves with her brother.... and Iceman has to catch his own ride home. Thanks Emma.

- We end with a scene of Bobby getting notifications on his phone, while far away, an observing Mr. Sinister is astounded at the growth of Bobby's abilities. He asks if some horrid looking creature he's been experimenting on is ready to face Bobby.
Interesting issue that seems lighthearted in a way but... kind of isn't.

They did exactly what I thought they'd do as far as telling us what Emma knew about Bobby's sexuality.

I was surprised to see the characters that we did, kind of, as I figured that family was kind of a dead plotline.

Today, in general, was an interesting manifestation of fairly rapid character rehabilitation for Emma Frost. She's in a very interesting spot, and while I do wonder if they'll ever address the fact that she committed a mass murder or not beyond vague one-liners, I think that maybe we are all better off just head-canoning that that part didn't happen and that people are mainly mad at her for being a manipulative person. Which, OK! That's fair.
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Re: Iceman #2

Post by EphemeristX » 10 Oct 2018, 15:18

Mass muderer... I can't remember anymore (I guess I blocked it out) did she kill anybody in IvX? Or uh... was this related to Mothervine? Or the Phoenix?
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Re: Iceman #2

Post by InsipidLust » 10 Oct 2018, 15:21

Oh yeah I forgot some alternate reality mutants died in X-Men Blue but I literally don't care.

I was referring to IVX, when she blew the Ennilux blimps to bits with sentinels. It's what they deserved, but still.
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Re: Iceman #2

Post by Blackcyclops » 10 Oct 2018, 15:34

InsipidLust wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 15:21
Oh yeah I forgot some alternate reality mutants died in X-Men Blue but I literally don't care.

I was referring to IVX, when she blew the Ennilux blimps to bits with sentinels. It's what they deserved, but still.
Well I mean as apart of Mothervibe plot she could possible be implicated in any deaths related to the experiments...and I guess in any harm that came from mutants hurt by Magneto too (sorta like how Xavier is responsible for the death of his students in some way).
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Re: Iceman #2

Post by InsipidLust » 10 Oct 2018, 17:43

Speaking of murder, I’m just realizing that a murder happened in this issue and literally no one even really cared 😂.
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Re: Iceman #2

Post by das_boot » 10 Oct 2018, 20:07

This was actually really nicely done. In literally one issue, Grace gives us some resolution to the Emma/Bobby stuff from decades ago. Christian being a mutant or inhuman is amazing. That Grace used this to highlight that conversion therapy is immensely damaging to an individual is also fantastically done.
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Re: Iceman #2

Post by kalibeast » 11 Oct 2018, 03:46

Loved this story, hated the art. It looks rushed and very ‘90s, in a bad way.

I particularly loved Emma putting Kitty in her place for that tragic haircut. GO AWAY.

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Re: Iceman #2

Post by Quick and Dead » 11 Oct 2018, 18:55

This didn’t really hit the heights I wanted it to. Feels like Grace tried to cram both a Bobby/Emma bonding teamup story and a Frost family drama into one and neither got the space it needed to have an impact. Hope to see more follow up as the series continues.

It was great to see Christian again though. I was a lowkey fan of the Emma solo series. Although I just don’t buy Emma letting her brother rot away in an institution all these years...
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Re: Iceman #2

Post by das_boot » 11 Oct 2018, 20:05

Quick and Dead wrote:
11 Oct 2018, 18:55
Although I just don’t buy Emma letting her brother rot away in an institution all these years...
I actually kind of do. A lot of Emma’s character was building her power base— and a lot of THAT stems from how she was treated by her father as we saw in her solo series. As powerful a mutant as she is literally her entire reason to start building power was to show her father that she can do it without his help and rival him. I actually think that the intent here from Grace was to not only convey this, and not only for there to be some resolution for the Iceman/Emma drama from nearly 20 years ago, but also to show that Emma, much like her diamond form, is flawed— her flaw isn’t her brother, it’s her father. I genuinely think that her fear of failing to protect her brother from her father is more driven from feeling like she would never be good/strong enough to save Christian— she simply couldn’t handle the idea of failing him again.
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Re: Iceman #2

Post by Cable » 12 Oct 2018, 22:42

I really liked this issue for the character moments shown. As Insipid said it does seem to go some ways to trying to rehabilitate Emma from the full-on villain track she has been going down. Or at least shows the depth of the character. Though really it was her brother that Grace wanted to feature as he clearly had some themes he wanted to tie in with Iceman's own story. I thought the other sisters should have at least gotten some mention though during this spotlight on the Frost family. I also couldn't decide if the humor was too forced or a necessary lightening of a pretty dark issue.
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