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Cable #150

Post by Magnus » 19 Oct 2017, 00:10

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New Orleans, 2004. Cable and Longshot break into a morgue to look at a body. That body happens to be Candra, who has died under mysterious circumstances. Cable has Longshot use his psychometry to see what killed her. Longshot can tell that she was killed by someone she knew. Cable notes that with Candra's death, Selene is the only remaining External, and his primary suspect for Candra's murder. After going out to recruit Doop, they meet up with Shatterstar, who's been watching the Hellfire Club, where Selene resides. They break in and are attacked by Selene, who yells that she won't go down as easily as Candra. Realizing she's not behind Candra's death, Cable stops the fight. When he explains that Selene is the last External, Selene starts laughing and the very-much-alive Externals emerge from the shadows, surrounding Cable's team...
Now this is how you start a story! Sets up a decent mystery, brings back some recognizable characters, and quickly puts together half the team. Miles head of the first arc (which I'm tending to agree with the guess that it was just a quick filler arc to get to #150 for this one).

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Re: Cable #150

Post by Gibbering Fool » 19 Oct 2017, 09:13

Looks like there goes the theory his team are all from across time...

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Re: Cable #150

Post by Blackcyclops » 19 Oct 2017, 10:35

Gibbering Fool wrote:
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Looks like there goes the theory his team are all from across time...
You sure? Cause Shattybuns is definitely from the past.
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Re: Cable #150

Post by Gibbering Fool » 19 Oct 2017, 10:44

Blackcyclops wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 10:35
Gibbering Fool wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 09:13
Looks like there goes the theory his team are all from across time...
You sure? Cause Shattybuns is definitely from the past.
From the outfit? I'm not reading the series so far, so I'm just going by the summaries but if its been shown Cable has assembled the team from accross time that's awesome.

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Re: Cable #150

Post by Blackcyclops » 19 Oct 2017, 10:54

Gibbering Fool wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 10:44
Blackcyclops wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 10:35
Gibbering Fool wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 09:13
Looks like there goes the theory his team are all from across time...
You sure? Cause Shattybuns is definitely from the past.
From the outfit? I'm not reading the series so far, so I'm just going by the summaries but if its been shown Cable has assembled the team from accross time that's awesome.
Well the story starts 12 yrs ago...so, they aren’t from across time (so far) but aren’t from the present.
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Re: Cable #150

Post by Gibbering Fool » 19 Oct 2017, 11:07

The story is set in the past but the team could have travelled from the present or future I guess. Again I haven't read it so maybe there's dialogue in there that ackowledges Shatterstar is from that era.

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Re: Cable #150

Post by Blackcyclops » 19 Oct 2017, 14:30

Gibbering Fool wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 11:07
The story is set in the past but the team could have travelled from the present or future I guess. Again I haven't read it so maybe there's dialogue in there that ackowledges Shatterstar is from that era.

No there’s no dialogue about Shattybuns...Longshot is definitely from that era (Cable talks about the present).
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Re: Cable #150

Post by InsipidLust » 19 Oct 2017, 16:01

Is this a retcon? I thought Selene literally was the killer responsible for the deaths of the Externals.

Anyway, gonna pick this up now.
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Re: Cable #150

Post by Blackcyclops » 19 Oct 2017, 16:22

No they still go with that continuity...Cable even says so. It’s why only Selene and Candra are alive.

The thing is...it’s confusing not because theExternals are alive at the end (which could be for any reason) but because of the “when”. See the story opens up 12 yrs ago (so 2005). Which puts it in our time after Selene has “killed” her brethren but before Selene’s “death” in Necrosha. But Marvel time moves slower, so 12 years ago Marvel time would be near the beginning of the Age of Marvels (like circa O5 territory). And at that time the Externals were still very much alive. So I don’t know what time frame they’re going with here or if Cable had actually done more time traveling after he picked up Longshot and Doop.

Ewing did a great job of going back in time by being ambiguous in the right places. This was super specific...
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Re: Cable #150

Post by EphemeristX » 19 Oct 2017, 16:24

I'm just pretending 2004 means 2004 in our time. Like, it's for us as readers and not an in-universe date. Or something.
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Re: Cable #150

Post by Blackcyclops » 19 Oct 2017, 16:26

Wouldn’t 12 years ago be 2005? Lol
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Re: Cable #150

Post by EphemeristX » 19 Oct 2017, 16:27

I didn't go to school for math.
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Re: Cable #150

Post by InsipidLust » 19 Oct 2017, 17:04

Whenever these comics try to do anything timey-wimey, I just ignore the numbers because those are immaterial at this point and bad for our health.
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Re: Cable #150

Post by Gremlin » 19 Oct 2017, 17:07

I'm confused as to how Candra was killed 13 years ago when she has been shown to be alive fairly recently. Either a time traveller is doing this and messing things up, or this is a self-enclosed story that has Candra being resurrected by the end.
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Re: Cable #150

Post by InsipidLust » 19 Oct 2017, 18:04

Just got this. So cool to Selene using her original powers in this. Her matter-manipulation was something that shouldn't have been forgotten.
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Re: Cable #150

Post by Magnus » 19 Oct 2017, 21:04

The opening specifically says "13 years ago" so I'm assuming 2004. I know there's supposedly a whole sliding time scale but to me when they put a specific date on it means it would take place at the same time as those stories from 2004. So still between the death of the Externals in X-Force in '96 and Selene's own death in Necrosha in 2010, which is the important thing.
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I'm confused as to how Candra was killed 13 years ago when she has been shown to be alive fairly recently. Either a time traveller is doing this and messing things up, or this is a self-enclosed story that has Candra being resurrected by the end.
The weird thing for me is that (reading the wiki here) Candra was supposedly killed in X-Men #61 (1997) but then came back in semi-zombie form in 2013 in that Scarlet Spider/Wolverine crossover story. I mean, okay, we've seen she can come back, but I guess we now need to think she died in 1997, came back in 2004, died again, came back in 2013... ah comics.

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Re: Cable #150

Post by Blackcyclops » 19 Oct 2017, 21:42

Yeah but that only makes sense if Marvel moves at real time, so...yeah timey-wimey...

Funny enough, my comic says 12 years ago lol
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Re: Cable #150

Post by Nu-D » 19 Oct 2017, 21:46

Magnus wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 21:04
The opening specifically says "13 years ago" ... to me when they put a specific date on it means it would take place at the same time as those stories from 2004.
See, to me "13-years-ago" is not a "specific date," but rather a reference to the MU timeline. This is 13-years before the Marvel "now," it is not contemporary with the stories from the IRL 13-years-ago.

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Re: Cable #150

Post by Magnus » 19 Oct 2017, 21:50

Blackcyclops wrote:
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Funny enough, my comic says 12 years ago lol
That's... really odd. Assuming a printing change, but why change something like that?

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Re: Cable #150

Post by Gibbering Fool » 20 Oct 2017, 03:18

Nu-D wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 21:46
Magnus wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 21:04
The opening specifically says "13 years ago" ... to me when they put a specific date on it means it would take place at the same time as those stories from 2004.
See, to me "13-years-ago" is not a "specific date," but rather a reference to the MU timeline. This is 13-years before the Marvel "now," it is not contemporary with the stories from the IRL 13-years-ago.
Agreed. Saying "13 years ago" doesn't date the book as much as "2004". With the sliding timescale, if someone reads this issue in 2037, the issue would be set in 2024. But if it said "2004" it locks the story to that time, and won't make sense. "Why is Longshot running around Earth 20 years before he left Mojoverse and joined the X-men?" etc

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Re: Cable #150

Post by Blackcyclops » 20 Oct 2017, 03:30

13 yrs ago still doesn’t make sense...unless Longshot, Shattybuns and all of Cable’s allies are time tossed.

The age of Marvel started 13 years ago in fluid Marvel time.
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Re: Cable #150

Post by Gibbering Fool » 20 Oct 2017, 03:37

Blackcyclops wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 03:30
13 yrs ago still doesn’t make sense...unless Longshot, Shattybuns and all of Cable’s allies are time tossed.

The age of Marvel started 13 years ago in fluid Marvel time.
Yeah its too far back, but I honestly think that's probably an overestimation on the author's part on hold old the MU is.

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Re: Cable #150

Post by Nu-D » 20 Oct 2017, 19:48

Blackcyclops wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 03:30
The age of Marvel started 13 years ago in fluid Marvel time.
Not sure where you came up with that number, but it doesn't matter. You will never, ever, ever be able to reconcile all of the various time & date references in the MU. All you can do is compartmentalize. For this story, the author wants these characters in their 1990's formulations to be about 13-years before their current status. Trying to fit that in to some FF reference, or even across old Uncanny titles is futile.

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Re: Cable #150

Post by Blackcyclops » 20 Oct 2017, 20:09

Nu-D wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 19:48
Blackcyclops wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 03:30
The age of Marvel started 13 years ago in fluid Marvel time.
Not sure where you came up with that number, but it doesn't matter. You will never, ever, ever be able to reconcile all of the various time & date references in the MU. All you can do is compartmentalize. For this story, the author wants these characters in their 1990's formulations to be about 13-years before their current status. Trying to fit that in to some FF reference, or even across old Uncanny titles is futile.
I came up with that number from Ultimates, Avengers, Fantastic Four, Etc...but *shrug*

As for the rest: I do it all the time lol...sliding timescale ladies and gents...

And even still they wouldn’t be in their ‘90s formulations since 12/13 years ago isn’t the ‘90s, I know that’s something I forget all the time... :P

Anyway, I think Longshot is time tossed though cause his continuity before PAD grabbed him up is confusing but was he “free” during the early aughts or the 90s? I thought he was in war all that time or having Shattybuns or something lol

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Re: Cable #150

Post by Wings » 21 Oct 2017, 10:15

Longshot spent that time either fighing Mojo, being captured by Mojo, mindwiped, or in Kansas XD
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