X-men Red #10

[Flapflop]

So this is last issue of Red before Sins of Sinister, fitting because

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in this the Spades Sinsiter is revealed to be encased in the Orbis Stellaris . We are only missing the Heart one now. But that one maybe the key of defeating Sinister in Sins of Sinister anyway, because he is probably a Flower Power, all goody, love is all you need Sinister .

The rest in a nutshell

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- Cable & Co defeat the aliens and the Orbis Stellaris, Cable uses the Phalanx as a Mech Suit for it
- Storm defeats Vulcan with help of Wrongslide, Sobunar and Lodus Logos. The encase him in a neutralizing cover and put him behind bars
- Roberto and Xandra confront Brand but she bodyslides away, only finding the Fisherman found out of her secret lair and probably kills her offscreen

[Blackcyclops]

Somebody called that reveal…so I think their guess about the hearts seems like it definitely will be true

[das_boot]

OOOPH. This is a masterclass, issue after issue. The art is beautiful and it’s just really great to see so many moving parts hit at the same time. Ugh. I love this book so hard.

[Gremlin]

I don’t quite know if Brand was killed off panel by the Fisherman at the end. It was left very ambiguous as to how and why the Fisherman was at her secret bolt-hole.

Great issue although I did feel that the Storm/Vulcan fight lacked something. At this point I feel Storm does have a little bit of plot armour going on. He was raging with literal fire and brownstone and she defeated him with rain? Listen I love Goddess Storm but even I had to raise an eyebrow to that.

[Magnus]

I don’t quite know if Brand was killed off panel by the Fisherman at the end. It was left very ambiguous as to how and why the Fisherman was at her secret bolt-hole.

Nah there's no way she'd be offed like that. Definitely a plot point to be picked up later though, especially after that little tidbit about her name ("Axus" mean anything to anyone?)

Great issue although I did feel that the Storm/Vulcan fight lacked something. At this point I feel Storm does have a little bit of plot armour going on. He was raging with literal fire and brownstone and she defeated him with rain? Listen I love Goddess Storm but even I had to raise an eyebrow to that.

Yeah perhaps not quite the fight I wanted, mainly due to needing to fit in the other plotlines (I wasn't ready for this to be the end before Sins of Sinister, but it does certainly wrap the immediate arcs up). I find it hard to quibble though where the outcome of the fight is character/action based, and shows some real change in the way Arrako is approaching things.

[hotknives]

I thought the Storm fight was smart - I don't think she defeated him with rain, she let him rage and burn himself to his limits, before using her team to subdue and lock him up.

Brand won't be dead - but I'm intrigued to see where and how she shows up.

So excited to see what Storm and Arakko do next

[das_boot]

I am seeing some SPICY takes on Twitter regarding the Storm/Vulcan fight. I didn’t even know Vulcan had so many fans for so many folk to be angry that he lost a fight due to Storm “cheating and having help”.

It’s ALMOST as if some people are SO CLOSE to understanding the general point that Storm has shown the Arakki mutants the value of team work and cooperation that THEY COULD HAVE HAD A TEXT PROCLAIMING AS MUCH IN THEIR HANDS but someone couldn’t see it. Huh. Weird weird weird.

[Milkshake08]

Who in the world likes Vulcan more than Storm? I mean you can say "he's more powerful" (debatable) but being mad because a story had a truly awful character get put in their place by basically the most important X-Person outside Wolverine/Magneto, in a way that is very consistent with the way both of those characters fight, is a very weird take.

[Blackcyclops]

Who in the world likes Vulcan more than Storm? I mean you can say "he's more powerful" (debatable) but being mad because a story had a truly awful character get put in their place by basically the most important X-Person outside Wolverine/Magneto, in a way that is very consistent with the way both of those characters fight, is a very weird take.

I’m trying to think rational about the take but there’s a part of me that just feels real suspect about that take. Like no way lady Storm should beat man-Vulcan…but I won’t go there.

[hotknives]

Sadly I think that's a valid point BC.
I've also seen a lot of Storm fans who are angry that she didn't defeat Vulcan on her own - which I think goes against the message of this book - Storm is a democratic leader who understands that working with others is the way to succeed. It feels so natural for Ororo - I struggle to understand why it upsets people

[Milkshake08]

Who in the world likes Vulcan more than Storm? I mean you can say "he's more powerful" (debatable) but being mad because a story had a truly awful character get put in their place by basically the most important X-Person outside Wolverine/Magneto, in a way that is very consistent with the way both of those characters fight, is a very weird take.

I’m trying to think rational about the take but there’s a part of me that just feels real suspect about that take. Like no way lady Storm should beat man-Vulcan…but I won’t go there.

I mean, rationally, Vulcan is one of the least likeable (on purpose!) mutants. He's entitled, always angry, whiny, and has been an antagonist to a lot of characters we are meant to root for. Not to mention his existence is a rather controversial retcon. So I can't think of a rational reason to like Vulcan. I don't even love to hate him like I do with some villains (Mystique, or Joffrey Baratheon for example), I just hate him.

[norwichchris]

There is one little thing that has been nagging about Vulcan being backed up to his Emperor days? could that also apply to other Mutants who have been resurrected such as say Beast could be restored to a non-villainous backup?

Do the backups get rewritten over after a set period of time. I know you can delete them if you wanted to as seen but I wonder could you restore someone to a much younger backup of themselves?

[Blackcyclops]

There is one little thing that has been nagging about Vulcan being backed up to his Emperor days? could that also apply to other Mutants who have been resurrected such as say Beast could be restored to a non-villainous backup?

Do the backups get rewritten over after a set period of time. I know you can delete them if you wanted to as seen but I wonder could you restore someone to a much younger backup of themselves?

Well Vulcan wasn’t backed up to an earlier backup, remember that was Vulcan’s first actual death. Before he was just in the Fault.

As for Beast, I believe it was said that earlier backups are deleted as soon as a new backup is made. For him to be supposedly “non-villainous” you would have to maybe get a backup from idk before he started experimenting on himself and turned gray or maybe right before curing the Legacy Virus? Then again, it’s his personality and how it interacted with life circumstances that led him to that point, so an earlier backup isn’t correcting anything. Just starting you over…

[WorldWideWade]

Yeah and what writer in their right mind would think it's a good idea to go back to having a Beast from before his transformation in the modern times. Oh wait...Bendis!

I unfortunately also get the feeling that the defense of Vulcan is mostly coming from a dishonest/misinformed subset of fandom who get upset anytime a POC/woman gets one over on a white male. I mean Storm has made a habit of putting Summers in their place even when at a severe disadvantage.

[norwichchris]

Yeah and what writer in their right mind would think it's a good idea to go back to having a Beast from before his transformation in the modern times. Oh wait...Bendis!

I unfortunately also get the feeling that the defense of Vulcan is mostly coming from a dishonest/misinformed subset of fandom who get upset anytime a POC/woman gets one over on a white male. I mean Storm has made a habit of putting Summers in their place even when at a severe disadvantage.

I prefer that Beast he was more interesting especially when he met his Dark Beast counterpart and he saw what could have happened to him honestly thought he would take it as a warning.

100% agree on Storm putting Summers in there place she only needs to do Havok next and she is complete think she has done Cable not sure yet?

[ultimatekey]

Yeah and what writer in their right mind would think it's a good idea to go back to having a Beast from before his transformation in the modern times. Oh wait...Bendis!

I unfortunately also get the feeling that the defense of Vulcan is mostly coming from a dishonest/misinformed subset of fandom who get upset anytime a POC/woman gets one over on a white male. I mean Storm has made a habit of putting Summers in their place even when at a severe disadvantage.

I prefer that Beast he was more interesting especially when he met his Dark Beast counterpart and he saw what could have happened to him honestly thought he would take it as a warning.

100% agree on Storm putting Summers in there place she only needs to do Havok next and she is complete think she has done Cable not sure yet?

What about Adam-X?

[Holland Oates]

Yeah and what writer in their right mind would think it's a good idea to go back to having a Beast from before his transformation in the modern times. Oh wait...Bendis!

I unfortunately also get the feeling that the defense of Vulcan is mostly coming from a dishonest/misinformed subset of fandom who get upset anytime a POC/woman gets one over on a white male. I mean Storm has made a habit of putting Summers in their place even when at a severe disadvantage.

I prefer that Beast he was more interesting especially when he met his Dark Beast counterpart and he saw what could have happened to him honestly thought he would take it as a warning.

100% agree on Storm putting Summers in there place she only needs to do Havok next and she is complete think she has done Cable not sure yet?

What about Adam-X?

His existence/simply having to be X-treme is punishment enough imo.

[tokenBG1009]

Yeah and what writer in their right mind would think it's a good idea to go back to having a Beast from before his transformation in the modern times. Oh wait...Bendis!

I unfortunately also get the feeling that the defense of Vulcan is mostly coming from a dishonest/misinformed subset of fandom who get upset anytime a POC/woman gets one over on a white male. I mean Storm has made a habit of putting Summers in their place even when at a severe disadvantage.

I prefer that Beast he was more interesting especially when he met his Dark Beast counterpart and he saw what could have happened to him honestly thought he would take it as a warning.

100% agree on Storm putting Summers in there place she only needs to do Havok next and she is complete think she has done Cable not sure yet?

I don't know WHY this is a thought in my head, but hasn't she slept with Cable before?

[das_boot]

Yeah and what writer in their right mind would think it's a good idea to go back to having a Beast from before his transformation in the modern times. Oh wait...Bendis!

I unfortunately also get the feeling that the defense of Vulcan is mostly coming from a dishonest/misinformed subset of fandom who get upset anytime a POC/woman gets one over on a white male. I mean Storm has made a habit of putting Summers in their place even when at a severe disadvantage.

I prefer that Beast he was more interesting especially when he met his Dark Beast counterpart and he saw what could have happened to him honestly thought he would take it as a warning.

100% agree on Storm putting Summers in there place she only needs to do Havok next and she is complete think she has done Cable not sure yet?

I don't know WHY this is a thought in my head, but hasn't she slept with Cable before?

There was a flirtation around the Onslaught stuff but since I tapped out of comics for a while after that, I don’t know if they got fully pelvic

[ultimatekey]

I prefer that Beast he was more interesting especially when he met his Dark Beast counterpart and he saw what could have happened to him honestly thought he would take it as a warning.

100% agree on Storm putting Summers in there place she only needs to do Havok next and she is complete think she has done Cable not sure yet?

I don't know WHY this is a thought in my head, but hasn't she slept with Cable before?

There was a flirtation around the Onslaught stuff but since I tapped out of comics for a while after that, I don’t know if they got fully pelvic

I actually did not read this story so I do not know if it is considered canon or not.....but Cable and Storm have a child together, that is from the future.

Major X, I think that is his name.

Also, let's not forget Nate Grey.

Storm never put him in his place.