Wolverine 31

[Holland Oates]

There’s no coming back from this, for Beast. I don’t know who, in the x-office, hates Hank McCoy. But they did him dirtier than Morrison did Magneto.

[Blackcyclops]

There’s no coming back from this, for Beast. I don’t know who, in the x-office, hates Hank McCoy. But they did him dirtier than Morrison did Magneto.

What did Beast do? I thought Beast was like doing some effed up stuff in this book lately? Because as someone who, while not in love in Morrison’s run, didn’t think he did Magneto as THAT dirty lol…

[das_boot]

CHRIST.

[Magnus]

What did Beast do?

Yeah I'm not sure this is any new line being crossed, just more of the same...

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Turns out the skull-shaped Pointe is actually the head of a giant golem (which is pretty awesome, gotta admit). Newly resurrected Beast has it stand up out of the ground and walk off Krakoa, blowing up a UN sub along the way because he's a dick. He wipes all of his backups from the cradles, makes a bunch of Beast clones, and is working on a bunch of Wolverine clones. So, now he can run X-Force as he needs to, away from Krakoa and everyone there, on his own terms.

Really I think the dumbest thing Beast is doing though is thinking that Wolverine is their "ultimate weapon" or "nuclear arsenal." Please. He's a guy with fucking knives in his hands who's hard to kill. Useful sure, but if you were gonna pick one mutant as your ultimate weapon, it would be one of the Omegas.

That said, I feel like there's a big hint on how Beast will be fixed:

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A data page mentions that Beast left all of his backups from his Avenger days untouched

[Blackcyclops]

Yeah…like before you could squint and maybe say Wolverine was like the most “dangerous” X-Man because 1)he’s more willing to kill than the average X-person and 2) he’s really hard to kill. You mix that with his skills and that tag works.

But now? Exodus…just Exodus. Kills folks? Sure. Hard go kill? Sure. Bad-ass? Sure…

Wolverine can at least give you plausible deniability since he’s basically been used by everybody so you can say “he was an Avenger this week”.

[das_boot]

Honestly I only picked this up to see Beast get his comeuppance and I didn’t even have a lovely time with this book.

The writing was just… honestly cringe beyond the telling of it. Like you’re literally going to have the gall to say Wolverine is Krakoa’s ultimate weapon when there are any number of Omega mutants, several many only marginally less powerful, and handfuls of people with less morals and scruples and just as deadly powers as Wolverine, if not more so?

Pop off, sis.

[EphemeristX]

That said, I feel like there's a big hint on how Beast will be fixed:

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A data page mentions that Beast left all of his backups from his Avenger days untouched

Exactly. This is exactly what's going to happen. At the end of this story, the current version of Beast will be lost one way or another. When they finally do rez Beast, he'll be pre-war crimes.

[norwichchris]

Honestly I only picked this up to see Beast get his comeuppance and I didn’t even have a lovely time with this book.

The writing was just… honestly cringe beyond the telling of it. Like you’re literally going to have the gall to say Wolverine is Krakoa’s ultimate weapon when there are any number of Omega mutants, several many only marginally less powerful, and handfuls of people with less morals and scruples and just as deadly powers as Wolverine, if not more so?

Pop off, sis.

After reading it I 100% agree Das very disappointing issue so let me get this straight you are going to redeem Beast by retconning him back to his Avengers days which is a big cop out and a disaster for the character going forward. He would be better of as Dark-beast impersonating him and he gets rescued and is horrified by what he has done.

Wolverine to me is more of a statement than the ULTIMATE WEAPON, yes he has the secret service experience and skills for X-Force but only as he currently is. All Beast got was a X-24 weapon and he was more in line with the terror and violence of the KGB or Mafia even, I fail to see how Beast never realized there were literally an entire Island full of Mutants who would best serve his purpose more.

[Holland Oates]

If they do easy bake an Avenger Beast, the current one should still be thrown in the pit.

[norwichchris]

If they do easy bake an Avenger Beast, the current one should still be thrown in the pit.

Well thats the problem he HAS done an awful lot wrong for example:

Poisoned and attempted to murder two humans
Blown up a sub after fleeing Krakoa
Betrayed the resurrection process to create clones of himself as well
Betray a fellow Mutant

Has he committed enough crimes to be sent to the pit only time will tell he can simply claim he was protecting Krakoa as requested by the council.

If they do revert him he will be forever tarnished and destroyed as a character anyway so it doesn't matter. Also how does he have backups from his time with the Avengers?

[Cable]

I loved the submarine destruction. I thought it was a clear nod to Uncanny X-Men #150 where Magneto infamously defended his island by destroying a submarine. Beast has essentially taken the opposite trajectory as Magneto, regressing into a villain instead of evolving into a hero, but with them both seeking to pragmatically save mutantkind are they really that different?

While I know many dismiss Percy's X-comics, and some of the criticisms are valid, still he has made me think more than many writers do.

[tokenBG1009]

If they "fix" Beast by just booting up an Avengers copy then please fuck off with that. It's basically the "it's just a dream" defense. I could see there being POTENTIAL for a story of an innocent Hank paying for the crimes of the man he becomes, but I'm not sure enough writers will be interested in that for it to be a good story beat.

Also, the entire point of the pit is that you don't get resurrected.

Honestly, I think Hank as an actual villain would be a better long term story. It's basically done wonders for every member of the O5 who've broken bad at one point or another. Let it be his turn.

[norwichchris]

Well the problem is who approved this story for Beast, does any of the comics get reviewed anymore it doesn't look like and if they do retcon Beast to his Avenger days then its likely cause they realized they have gone too far with him. I would have been more interesting if he had been Dark Beast though as when Hank returns he could look on in horror at what has been done.

Even if they retcon the same thing will happen but would he still get the Pit anyway? He also does seem most of the time to be rather incompetent than i would have expected and not think outside the box more.