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A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by Flapflop » 21 Sep 2022, 09:57

Didn't realize that this issue came this quickly already after #4

In a nutshell:
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Lot of deaths, including Captain America. People with extinction in their eyes choose redemption. Even fleeing Earth isn't helping because the space ship is blown up. An al out attack doesn't work so our heroes choose the stealth option now. Eternals are willingly mind controlled by Jean to make them fight a Celestial and the Krakoan resurrection protocols are used to resurrect the hero the world needs: Captain America.
Seeing the road map, lot of the (side) story will now be in (new one-shot) tie ins. Issue #6 comes end of october and an Omega issue in november.
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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by Blackcyclops » 21 Sep 2022, 12:28

Gillen could’ve probably honestly skipped some of the vignettes last issue to give the big battle (and deaths) more time to breathe. But I do like that the heroes are all continuing to work together and that it never was Avengers against the X-Men as some people wrongly predicted. I also like that Kurt has taken over the driver seat here and you feel the resonance with his other title. It feels like Gillen did this as an extension of his Immortal book here with Kurt on as the focus this time. As an extension of the Earth/Machine as the kooky narrator in eternals, I like the Progenitor as this broken god narrating here…although, I again blame Stark lol…

And Jack is technically right, which adds alittle murk to the good guy sheen of the mutants. Not as good to me as the last four issues but I’m still liking the story Gillen is telling. And I’m always here for Kurt and the Spark.
So on one hand we have the existence of a being who can reset the entire timeline, destroying everything…, and on the other hand we have a few mind wipes and some gaslighting. You're right, totally evenly weighted.
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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by Gremlin » 21 Sep 2022, 13:34

Not going to be able to get hold of this issue for a while, but.....
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how did they bring Cap back? Is this similar to the Scarlet Witch, where she's human but mutants make an exception in this case? His genetic material wouldn't be hard to get hold of but a recent copy of his psyche is a different matter.
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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by Blackcyclops » 21 Sep 2022, 13:54

Gremlin wrote:
21 Sep 2022, 13:34
Not going to be able to get hold of this issue for a while, but.....
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how did they bring Cap back? Is this similar to the Scarlet Witch, where she's human but mutants make an exception in this case? His genetic material wouldn't be hard to get hold of but a recent copy of his psyche is a different matter.
My thoughts exactly about the last part…the question is: what version of Cap will it be???
So on one hand we have the existence of a being who can reset the entire timeline, destroying everything…, and on the other hand we have a few mind wipes and some gaslighting. You're right, totally evenly weighted.
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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by Usernamenotimportant » 21 Sep 2022, 16:51

Blackcyclops wrote:
21 Sep 2022, 13:54
Gremlin wrote:
21 Sep 2022, 13:34
Not going to be able to get hold of this issue for a while, but.....
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how did they bring Cap back? Is this similar to the Scarlet Witch, where she's human but mutants make an exception in this case? His genetic material wouldn't be hard to get hold of but a recent copy of his psyche is a different matter.
My thoughts exactly about the last part…the question is: what version of Cap will it be???
Obviously Captain Hydra, because everyone loved that.

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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by Blackcyclops » 21 Sep 2022, 17:04

Usernamenotimportant wrote:
21 Sep 2022, 16:51
Blackcyclops wrote:
21 Sep 2022, 13:54
Gremlin wrote:
21 Sep 2022, 13:34
Not going to be able to get hold of this issue for a while, but.....
Spoiler: show
how did they bring Cap back? Is this similar to the Scarlet Witch, where she's human but mutants make an exception in this case? His genetic material wouldn't be hard to get hold of but a recent copy of his psyche is a different matter.
My thoughts exactly about the last part…the question is: what version of Cap will it be???
Obviously Captain Hydra, because everyone loved that.
Ok…

But if it makes the bros mad, then I’m all for it.
So on one hand we have the existence of a being who can reset the entire timeline, destroying everything…, and on the other hand we have a few mind wipes and some gaslighting. You're right, totally evenly weighted.
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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by XtremeOne1 » 21 Sep 2022, 18:05

When Cap died and they immediately went to Jean, I think it was hitting she was storing his psyche, so I think it will be Cap from either just before or very shortly before that.

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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by norwichchris » 22 Sep 2022, 09:51

XtremeOne1 wrote:
21 Sep 2022, 18:05
When Cap died and they immediately went to Jean, I think it was hitting she was storing his psyche, so I think it will be Cap from either just before or very shortly before that.
What Xtreme said basically they will resurrect Cap and probably the others will return as well but it won't make a difference to be honest don't think the strike team will succeed in destroying the Celestial.

I think the other Celestials will appear and decide to judge the Progenitor and either destroy him or take him away for repairs.

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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by das_boot » 22 Sep 2022, 11:43

I’m so confused. So Captain Marvel is dead too? This issue confused me. I loved the beginning with Jada and Cap, that was really sweet but a lot of this issue just confused me and I’m not sure whether it was the art or the narration being solely on the side of the Celestial or… I just don’t know.

Also surely Egg should have been a prioritised resurrection? I don’t understand why there’s a shortage of Eggs.
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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by Blackcyclops » 22 Sep 2022, 13:52

Egg is alive Das but in general Egg can’t just push out infinite eggs at an infinite rate. He has to take time between and given the mass amount of deaths (and limited time), there had to be some prioritization of resurrection. Its basically the larger resurrection roadblock the 5 normally deal with but on hyperdrive.
So on one hand we have the existence of a being who can reset the entire timeline, destroying everything…, and on the other hand we have a few mind wipes and some gaslighting. You're right, totally evenly weighted.
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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by das_boot » 22 Sep 2022, 17:58

Blackcyclops wrote:
22 Sep 2022, 13:52
Egg is alive Das but in general Egg can’t just push out infinite eggs at an infinite rate. He has to take time between and given the mass amount of deaths (and limited time), there had to be some prioritization of resurrection. Its basically the larger resurrection roadblock the 5 normally deal with but on hyperdrive.
I mean, he used to be able to manage several hundred at a time when he was Goldballs so while on the face of it I’ll accept your response it’s with a heavy side of “sure Jan” gif
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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by Blackcyclops » 22 Sep 2022, 18:24

das_boot wrote:
22 Sep 2022, 17:58
Blackcyclops wrote:
22 Sep 2022, 13:52
Egg is alive Das but in general Egg can’t just push out infinite eggs at an infinite rate. He has to take time between and given the mass amount of deaths (and limited time), there had to be some prioritization of resurrection. Its basically the larger resurrection roadblock the 5 normally deal with but on hyperdrive.
I mean, he used to be able to manage several hundred at a time when he was Goldballs so while on the face of it I’ll accept your response it’s with a heavy side of “sure Jan” gif
He made several hundred goldballs but since the Krakoan era he hasn’t really been making that number of viable resurrection eggs, has he? I only ask because isn’t that part of whats limiting the resurrection queue under normal times?
So on one hand we have the existence of a being who can reset the entire timeline, destroying everything…, and on the other hand we have a few mind wipes and some gaslighting. You're right, totally evenly weighted.
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Post by das_boot » 22 Sep 2022, 21:01

I thought the limit was because each resurrection needed the full attention of the five and obviously time is limited? Honestly, you might be right, Goldballs/Egg is a character I like to forget about
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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by Milkshake08 » 22 Sep 2022, 21:03

Frankly the "resurrection queue" makes no sense the way they've told the stories. So many characters are immediately resurrected within the same issue that it loses meaning to me and also, how unfair is it that QQ has been resurrected 100 times and there are supposedly millions of dead Genoshan mutants just sitting around in the queue. I mean we haven't even gotten confirmations on a lot of the murdered students being back, or Petra/Sway/Changeling or many of the murdered Morlocks from the massacre (outside of Tommy I can't think of another, in fact). They deserve it just as much as such and such's 20th time in the protocols. Like I get some people have important roles on the island, but random mutants people want to tell stories with get resurrected whenever, so the queue to me is just something they bring up when it's convenient to the plot.

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Post by EphemeristX » 22 Sep 2022, 21:42

All of the murdered students were confirmed returned as of Sofia Mantega's resurrection in X-Factor.
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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by Blackcyclops » 22 Sep 2022, 21:49

EphemeristX wrote:
22 Sep 2022, 21:42
All of the murdered students were confirmed returned as of Sofia Mantega's resurrection in X-Factor.


And Sway and company can only recently be returned since the Trial.
So on one hand we have the existence of a being who can reset the entire timeline, destroying everything…, and on the other hand we have a few mind wipes and some gaslighting. You're right, totally evenly weighted.
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Post by EphemeristX » 22 Sep 2022, 21:52

As far as Egg's prioritization, they're not out of eggs, they just have few. My guess is, they're trying to wait out spending time on Egg when they needed key infiltration and leadership roles filled immediately. No good bringing Egg back if the team hasn't headed out to infiltrate the celestial in time and it just nukes the world. They're still in triage mode and I figure they'll bring back Egg soon after this.

I still have a feeling all of this is going to be reset with a Moira kill.
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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by Blackcyclops » 22 Sep 2022, 23:22

I think Sinister’s going to save the day…thus setting up Destiny’s prediction
So on one hand we have the existence of a being who can reset the entire timeline, destroying everything…, and on the other hand we have a few mind wipes and some gaslighting. You're right, totally evenly weighted.
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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by das_boot » 23 Sep 2022, 06:34

Blackcyclops wrote:
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I think Sinister’s going to save the day…thus setting up Destiny’s prediction
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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by norwichchris » 25 Sep 2022, 17:36

I wonder though how will they defeat the Celestial, yes I agree Sinister is the one who will come up with the Idea as he has had a great deal of time studying the Celestial and there technology.

I think it will end with the Celestial attempting to judge the great machine that is Earth and it backfiring somehow in that it looks at itself in judgement and decides it is unworthy.

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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by Magnus » 25 Sep 2022, 23:00

This one felt like last issue, there's some good moments in here but the connective tissue and overall framework is insubstantial. There's another bit of over-convenience where the Eternals are just able to switch off their firewalls so they can fight for the good guys. The big battle moves a bit too fast (and turns out to be just another attempt and failure), setting us up for the next plan which is... not revealed as we leave on a giant cliffhanger, and apparently we're going to be spending time spread across a shitload of one-shots and tie-ins until the last issue comes out in a month. Gross.
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21 Sep 2022, 18:05
When Cap died and they immediately went to Jean, I think it was hitting she was storing his psyche, so I think it will be Cap from either just before or very shortly before that.
Yeah, I definitely think it was planned, given Nightcrawler's reaction upon being resurrected.

Weirdly, I can buy Capt working as a martyr but resurrecting him seems like it would undermine that, even just in the short term. I mean yeah, that final page is a cool moment, but the more I ponder it the less it makes sense (also kinda funny the birthed him with a shield). It does certainly open up some very interesting potential consequences down the road though...
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I’m so confused. So Captain Marvel is dead too? This issue confused me. I loved the beginning with Jada and Cap, that was really sweet but a lot of this issue just confused me and I’m not sure whether it was the art or the narration being solely on the side of the Celestial or… I just don’t know.
Yeah, Captain Marvel and Thor die on-panel, probably Kamala too. If everyone who showed up at the battle died (except for Iron Man, who is shown escaping) then you can add Spidey, the Fantastic Four, Doom...

So yeah, they're all gonna come back, just a question of how. Krakoan resurrection, maybe the Eternals will be able to modify their resurrection somehow, or a Moira clone kill?
Also surely Egg should have been a prioritised resurrection? I don’t understand why there’s a shortage of Eggs.
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Egg is alive Das but in general Egg can’t just push out infinite eggs at an infinite rate. He has to take time between and given the mass amount of deaths (and limited time), there had to be some prioritization of resurrection. Its basically the larger resurrection roadblock the 5 normally deal with but on hyperdrive.
I thought Egg was alive too but he's actually shown getting killed in the same panel as Mystique and Destiny. I suspect they figured they needed to sacrifice at least one of the Five to help fool the Celestial, and he's the easiest since there's an emergency supply of eggs. I think Eph has it right, they can resurrect him when they absolutely get close to running out, but needed others right now for their infiltration plan.

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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by norwichchris » 27 Sep 2022, 12:24

This is why hate the resurrection process so much it ruins the storylines completely and I really hope this gets retconned soon.

I see cap being resurrected as more, yes he was martyr but he his spirit has risen again to lead the fight against the Celestial like he will never stop fighting even death can not stop him from doing what is right. I still hate him though as he is a dickhead the Celestial is completely correct!

The story did move very fast but I think this is part of the writers trying to explain the power of the Celestial as they are no match for it at all even Thor or Captain Marvel.

I do wonder if the Avengers are resurrected via the Eternals method does this mean that a person will die as suspect they will refuse or never get told about it until later on?

Do think Sinister will save the day but it will be a disaster in the long run for them all.

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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by Blackcyclops » 27 Sep 2022, 16:22

If they get rid of the Resurrection Protocol, why would they use a retcon? That wouldn’t make any sense…so what every resurrection has just been a fake out? Because of somebody punching reality? Lol
So on one hand we have the existence of a being who can reset the entire timeline, destroying everything…, and on the other hand we have a few mind wipes and some gaslighting. You're right, totally evenly weighted.
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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by norwichchris » 28 Sep 2022, 08:55

Blackcyclops wrote:
27 Sep 2022, 16:22
If they get rid of the Resurrection Protocol, why would they use a retcon? That wouldn’t make any sense…so what every resurrection has just been a fake out? Because of somebody punching reality? Lol
I don't know to be honest said a retcon as would prefer it never happened but they could maybe make it so it no longer works or there are unintended side affects which there would be.

Also Scarlet Witch warped reality and bought back loads of dead mutants so I see no reason why it couldn't happen again.

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Re: A.X.E Judgment Day #5

Post by Blackcyclops » 28 Sep 2022, 11:40

If Wanda did that, that wouldn’t be a retcon though.
But you said you just want them to get rid of it, so cool I guess.
So on one hand we have the existence of a being who can reset the entire timeline, destroying everything…, and on the other hand we have a few mind wipes and some gaslighting. You're right, totally evenly weighted.
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