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Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by MultipleMadrox » 18 Nov 2020, 07:19

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Sinister tells the Quiet Council that they need to give up on everyone in Otherworld and destroy the gate before they're invaded, but Xavier stands by Krakoa's wishes not to touch it.

In Otherworld, Cable faces Bei the Blood Moon in combat, but his second's doubt of killing her in front of Doug gives her the upper hand and she trounces him. Cypher steps in before she lands the killing blow, but is too late to save Cable's pride. He calls Mom and Dad telepathically to cry about it, but Saturnyne knows and cuts them off.

Gorgon faces the White Sword who sends all of his loyal "swords"/resurrected slaves to fight him first. Gorgon kills 13 of them, losing his eyes in the process, before the White Sword steps up and kills him himself. Randomly, Saturnyne awards Krakoa points for all 13 of the minions Gorgon kills so now the scores are tied, 19-19. Also randomly, Genesis and Apocalypse both announce they know they are the final battle and it's happening now!
After two enjoyable entries, this one went back to leaving a little cold like last week. Specifically,
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evening out the score for the "final battle." I was already feeling burned over spending so much time on swords that were barely used, and now Saturnyne stacking the deck against Krakoa for 5 issues, only to arbitrarily flood them with points at the last minute... just so that Apocalypse's big showdown has higher stakes?
Anyway, that said, these two panels were an absolute masterpiece and I will never forget them:
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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by Aeon » 18 Nov 2020, 08:43

Somehow this all feels just like hot air again. A lot for nothing at the end.

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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by Blackcyclops » 18 Nov 2020, 14:04

This actually wasn’t a bad issue. Insipid said the book was better than it gets credit for and while the last one wasn’t hot, this one was actually pretty good for me. Gorgon’s scenes were awesome...

Saturnyne continues to act very much like the master of a fae-inspired story, where the rules change on a whim and it’s centered on her being a trickster. So I don’t know what her final game is...unless it is to get back at Apoccy or to save OtherRealm from the Amenthians.

I’m still personally of the mind that the Swords importance was just that of keys for the challenge and a play on the actual tarot cards...sure the quest issues were about being individual solo features for the heroes (which I think only a few of us actually enjoyed) but the actual significance of the swords (besides as keys and tarot relation) was something hyped up by us fans more than what Howard ever intended...
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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by Flapflop » 18 Nov 2020, 15:10

Tempted to say lame storytelling. All battles, stakes and even deaths till now
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were basically for nothing. They just could have had one battle between Apocalypse and his wife Genesis/Annihilation from the start
But still curious where this will go now

-how will the last battle go?
- what is the whole plan of Saturnyne
-what is the winning plan B of Cyclops, Jean, Cable and Magik

One week to go

BETRAYER COUNT: Saturnyne
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for just give points tot Krakoa to even the scores. Everything till now was basically for nothing
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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by Fenix » 18 Nov 2020, 17:01

I just wanted to say that its weird Cipher gets married to Bei, they take some panels to explain their powers counter each other making them unable to understand whatever the other say...

... the next week Doug ask Bei to stop and spare Nate and she seems to understand it.
I know there is body language and the situation could, somehow, make Bei get whatever Doug meant but it would have made sense for Magik AND Doug to ask for Mercy as Bei would have understood Magik straight away without forcing it.

Anyway, I liked Scott and Jean here and Im curious to see whats the plan.

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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by Blackcyclops » 18 Nov 2020, 17:20

It said that Cypher can’t understand Bei...not the other way around.
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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by Usernamenotimportant » 18 Nov 2020, 17:25

This week had some good moments, but once again just annoys me more that this event could have been over in the previous month and we wouldn't miss much.

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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by das_boot » 18 Nov 2020, 20:37

OH MY GOD FLAPFLOP YOU ABSOLUTE JUDAS!

No, honestly, listen to him. I barely remember this issue.

The art is BEAUTIFUL but this... ugh. I just hate the writing. And by the writing, I mean that Kable has a book.
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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by Blackcyclops » 19 Nov 2020, 02:07

Usernamenotimportant wrote:
18 Nov 2020, 17:25
This week had some good moments, but once again just annoys me more that this event could have been over in the previous month and we wouldn't miss much.

If by missing much you mean Storm in a couture challenge and Gorgon freaking a rock? Then That’s my kind of much I need more of.

Hell the same way some of yall were clamoring for a dip into a fake destroy the Earth story, I could’ve done a whole issue of RuPaul Drag-Race-esque runway show...especially since we clearly know RuPaul is pro-Krakoa...
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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by Cosmos666 » 19 Nov 2020, 04:28

I don't care about anything else about this crossover, but Jean kissing Scott. Just that panel made it worth it.

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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by Flapflop » 19 Nov 2020, 09:16

das_boot wrote:
18 Nov 2020, 20:37
OH MY GOD FLAPFLOP YOU ABSOLUTE JUDAS!

No, honestly, listen to him. I barely remember this issue.

The art is BEAUTIFUL but this... ugh. I just hate the writing. And by the writing, I mean that Kable has a book.
Sry for stealing your thunder. Ill stop using your invention. ;)
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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by das_boot » 19 Nov 2020, 12:05

Blackcyclops wrote:
19 Nov 2020, 02:07
Usernamenotimportant wrote:
18 Nov 2020, 17:25
This week had some good moments, but once again just annoys me more that this event could have been over in the previous month and we wouldn't miss much.

If by missing much you mean Storm in a couture challenge and Gorgon freaking a rock? Then That’s my kind of much I need more of.

Hell the same way some of yall were clamoring for a dip into a fake destroy the Earth story, I could’ve done a whole issue of RuPaul Drag-Race-esque runway show...especially since we clearly know RuPaul is pro-Krakoa...
Referenced in the X-Force thread but I imagine this to be Storm when she didn’t win the runway challenge: https://youtu.be/OvRNzVWwflM
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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by Oldmanlogan79 » 19 Nov 2020, 13:15

Cosmos666 wrote:
19 Nov 2020, 04:28
I don't care about anything else about this crossover, but Jean kissing Scott. Just that panel made it worth it.
Truth. She kisses everyone nowadays :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Worst crossover Ever.
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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by Magnus » 20 Nov 2020, 01:56

After a good rebound issue in X-Force (part 17) and a great issue in Hellions (part 18), this one was definitely the weakest. The pacing is kinda weak here, as we go from the hodgepodge of different contests (with the points stacking ever more in Arrako's favor) to Krakoa suddenly getting a deluge of points all from one contest. Also kinda weird how the characters suddenly assume this is the last contest... the data page tells us so, but nothing Saturnyne said implies it. In a way I almost want to think that Apocalypse and Genesis knew the whole thing was a farce and were both just waiting for the points to even up. We've still got 3 issues left though so there's still time for an interesting turn or two.

I found the art to be very uneven. There are a few parts that were good (such as the panels posted above) but a few that were awful - the entire Gorgon/White Sword fight was very roughly drawn (just look at Genesis and Bei in the panel where War tells White Sword to finish him, or the panel where WS stabs Gorgon). And going back to the panels before the Cable/Bei fight, is Genesis really that tall? It wouldn't surprise me if the art here was extremely rushed last-minute.

Data pages could've used some reviewing, too. Redroot and Death aren't crossed off the roster at the start though they probably should be, and the winner of the 6th battle is apparently "Krakko."

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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by Magnus » 20 Nov 2020, 05:44

It didn't really hit me on the first read, but it occurs to me that Gorgon is the first real death on the X-Men side (since it seems pretty obvious something is afoot with Betsy). I wonder how he'll turn out if they resurrect him... or maybe they'll just leave him dead? Wouldn't surprise me if he said to do so if he died.

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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by Milkshake08 » 20 Nov 2020, 19:51

I am very much struggling to understand why this, of all the new DoX books, exists. I hope after the crossover this book develops a purpose because I'd rather have a book focusing on the X-teens. All the other books seem to have a purpose (Excalibur is Betsy's journey and the magic title, X-Factor is investigatory, Hellions is a rehab, X-Men tells overarching stories for other books to pick up, X-Force is proactive defense, SWORD will be space outreach/defense, etc) but this one seems to just be "Isn't it fun to follow around a teenage version of a beloved adult character?!" and...no, it isn't really.

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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by das_boot » 22 Nov 2020, 11:50

Milkshake08 wrote:
20 Nov 2020, 19:51
I am very much struggling to understand why this, of all the new DoX books, exists. I hope after the crossover this book develops a purpose because I'd rather have a book focusing on the X-teens. All the other books seem to have a purpose (Excalibur is Betsy's journey and the magic title, X-Factor is investigatory, Hellions is a rehab, X-Men tells overarching stories for other books to pick up, X-Force is proactive defense, SWORD will be space outreach/defense, etc) but this one seems to just be "Isn't it fun to follow around a teenage version of a beloved adult character?!" and...no, it isn't really.
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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by norwichchris » 23 Nov 2020, 07:57

I admit I hate young cable but did briefly and thought it was incredibly funny when Cable gets beaten up and tells his mum it was Doug's big wife. See angry parents coming....

I fail to see what purpose young cable has other than to become older cable later on down the line.

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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by das_boot » 23 Nov 2020, 16:58

norwichchris wrote:
23 Nov 2020, 07:57

I fail to see what purpose young cable has other than to become older cable later on down the line.
... I mean... that happens to everyone, with age, or did you mean for him to be replaced by Cable?
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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by Blackcyclops » 23 Nov 2020, 19:15

das_boot wrote:
23 Nov 2020, 16:58
norwichchris wrote:
23 Nov 2020, 07:57

I fail to see what purpose young cable has other than to become older cable later on down the line.
... I mean... that happens to everyone, with age, or did you mean for him to be replaced by Cable?

Lmao
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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by Jesse James II » 23 Nov 2020, 20:27

Young Cable. I thought he was alright. This the last issue. What a cry-baby. CryBable. 🤭
By now and after reading future sollicits I am afraid nothing will come of this Crossover. The two islands may stay connected, but I don't there will be long everlasting repercussions.
I do think that with all current and past villains (mutants) being part of Krakoa, this crossover did do a solid job in introducing and re-introducing new villains and stories in the future "The four horsemen, Nemesis, Tarn and his Locus Vile, Sat-ur-Nyn, the ten realms, the other swords.)

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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by Milkshake08 » 24 Nov 2020, 23:46

das_boot wrote:
22 Nov 2020, 11:50
Milkshake08 wrote:
20 Nov 2020, 19:51
I am very much struggling to understand why this, of all the new DoX books, exists. I hope after the crossover this book develops a purpose because I'd rather have a book focusing on the X-teens. All the other books seem to have a purpose (Excalibur is Betsy's journey and the magic title, X-Factor is investigatory, Hellions is a rehab, X-Men tells overarching stories for other books to pick up, X-Force is proactive defense, SWORD will be space outreach/defense, etc) but this one seems to just be "Isn't it fun to follow around a teenage version of a beloved adult character?!" and...no, it isn't really.
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Absolutely agree with all of this. I don’t see why this title is a thing at all
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The one good thing is we get Noto art. I know someone else said they don't like it, but I think his art is so stylish. It's not my favorite by any means, but it offers something different and the colors he uses are more muted which is kind of fun. It contrasts with the murky art in X-Force, and the bright, animated feel of Excalibur. I wish they'd replace Yu on X-Men though. He seems like a good guy but I just don't like his art and never have. Too sketchy and too much yelling faces (like Land and his porn mouths).

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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by das_boot » 25 Nov 2020, 00:31

It’s probably my favourite art of any of the titles, and I think that instead of mitigating how much this title annoys me, if anything, it makes me angrier, because the art is SO. GOOD... but then I don’t care about the main character, only the development we’re getting of the secondary characters and support cast.

I get it. This is meant to be a FUN Cable. A Cable who hasn’t had a life time of fighting for his life in a variety of dystopian futures... but then he’s also a paradox. If Moira dying resets the timeline, then that means that the future he’s from doesn’t even exist anymore because it never happened, unless THIS timeline has always been the one that Cable came from, but if the X-Men’s actions here negate the possible futures that he’s from, then how does he even exist to begin with?
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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by Blackcyclops » 25 Nov 2020, 00:46

Me too!!!!!!! I can’t with his art.

Besides him just being an anomaly like Bishop during AoA, remember the future Cable grew up in was an alt-future anyway, thus it’s different designation
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Re: Cable #6 (X of Swords Part 19)

Post by Lavettye » 25 Nov 2020, 07:35

das_boot wrote:
25 Nov 2020, 00:31
A Cable who hasn’t had a life time of fighting for his life in a variety of dystopian futures... but then he’s also a paradox. If Moira dying resets the timeline, then that means that the future he’s from doesn’t even exist anymore because it never happened, unless THIS timeline has always been the one that Cable came from, but if the X-Men’s actions here negate the possible futures that he’s from, then how does he even exist to begin with?
Cable's birth and current actions all happen in Moira's tenth life, no paradox there. It's unknown if there were any Cables in Moira's nine earier lifes.
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