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Hellions #1

Post by Blackcyclops » 25 Mar 2020, 11:28

This was actually pretty interesting...

I do know that hearing Sinister and Exodus argue about shoulder garments makes me want to read a fashion X-book right now!!!
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Re: Hellions #1

Post by Fenix » 25 Mar 2020, 15:07

This book was immediately one of the best books happening since HoX/PoX finished.

Issue 1 is a very thought intro to all the main characters in the book while serving to show us some other characters.
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Loved the original Hellions bit!
Havok is a big mystery right now, Im extremely curious about where this is taking him even if I really hope he doesnt become a villain again. Ever.
Kwannon's role is a continuation from Fallen Angels but imho it surely looks like Zeb Wells knows better and will do her some justice, something Fallen Angels did not really achieve.

And the scene when Scott nearly blasted the Council to protect Alex was EVERYTHING. I read it as so emotional, so human, so in-character...

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Re: Hellions #1

Post by Usernamenotimportant » 25 Mar 2020, 15:48

This was way more entertaining than it had the right to be.

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Re: Hellions #1

Post by Aeon » 25 Mar 2020, 16:03

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Didn’t Havok and Wild Child serve at the same time in XF? I don’t understand his reaction to WC‘s growling therefor.

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Re: Hellions #1

Post by MultipleMadrox » 25 Mar 2020, 16:20

I had high hopes for this because I loved Wells' New Mutants run and this didn't disappoint. Loved the writing, loved the art -- although has Empath always been so white and blonde?

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Re: Hellions #1

Post by Blackcyclops » 25 Mar 2020, 16:22

He’s been white since he popped up in Uncanny but I just took thr blonde as a dye job. He’s one of the few Hellions to never die right?
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Re: Hellions #1

Post by EphemeristX » 25 Mar 2020, 16:22

The first sign of Scott's dissent of any kind. interesting.

I was mostly excited about all the new characters. Hellions, Marauders, Morlocks. Awesome.

And yeah, Empath hasn't died. Last I saw him, he was imprisoned after worshipping Madelyne Pryor. Another cool connection. Scalphunter has also tried to kill Maddie at least once.
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Re: Hellions #1

Post by Blackcyclops » 25 Mar 2020, 16:24

EphemeristX wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 16:22
The first sign of Scott's dissent of any kind. interesting.

I was mostly excited about all the new characters. Hellions, Marauders, Morlocks. Awesome.

Like Insipid said instead of some people always complaining about NOT seeing something, maybe give it some time. As we literal saw some Morlocks confront Scalphunter...like it was a direct rebut to a post from another thread LOL..

Also, I want to know more about Nanny and the Orphan Maker though...
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Re: Hellions #1

Post by Fenix » 25 Mar 2020, 20:57

Aeon wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 16:03
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Didn’t Havok and Wild Child serve at the same time in XF? I don’t understand his reaction to WC‘s growling therefor.
Actually I think Havok was working with Dark Beast and Fatale for the vast majority of the time Wild Child served in X-Factor. Also he was pretty much in control, Kyle here is absolutely gone feral like his AoA version (i like the costume and reference here) but nothing indicates he has anybody or anything putting him under control like AoA Sabretooth did back then.
I would be scared, feral Wild Child is a killer.

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Re: Hellions #1

Post by InsipidLust » 25 Mar 2020, 21:03

There were things I like about this. Lots. Including the Morlocks-attacking-scalphunter bit that I figured was inevitable as soon as one of those characters was prominently featured. I’ll say nothing more of having patience for narratives to unfold, here’s a brief example.

The art is strange to me. It is skillfully tendered and I feel like it’s beautifully done—but something about it doesn’t sit right with me. It feels like something from Crossgen comics in the early 2000s. Very by-the-book comic book style. Not a good thing or a bad thing for me, but strangely... very apparent to me for some reason.

I hate the way Sinister speaks in this book.

I wonder what was implied in that scene between Kwannon and Sinister. I almost thought of blackmail or some other compromise.
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Re: Hellions #1

Post by das_boot » 25 Mar 2020, 22:23

I assumed it was just because Sinister had helped Kwannon in Fallen Angels?

I enjoyed this. It was fun and it was clever. I really don’t enjoy Nanny and Orphan Maker though. They’re just kind of creepy and I don’t really feel like they added anything. I’d have been more interested in seeing more Havok or Wildchild or Kwannon...
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Re: Hellions #1

Post by Aeon » 26 Mar 2020, 00:57

This Scalphunter/Wild Child dynamic is similar to the Age of Apocalypse versions of Sabretooth and Wild Child when they first met. They fought and at the end Sabs peed on WC to show his dominance and then they were best friends.

If Scalp will do the same? Oh I can’t wait for the next issue.

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Re: Hellions #1

Post by InsipidLust » 26 Mar 2020, 02:46

das_boot wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 22:23
I assumed it was just because Sinister had helped Kwannon in Fallen Angels?

I enjoyed this. It was fun and it was clever. I really don’t enjoy Nanny and Orphan Maker though. They’re just kind of creepy and I don’t really feel like they added anything. I’d have been more interested in seeing more Havok or Wildchild or Kwannon...
I thought that as well, except that the body language and Sinister’s implication that she had “no choice” but to go into the mission blind seemed to imply something more to me. If it wasn’t, what’s really to have prevented her from raising a drink about the matter?
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Re: Hellions #1

Post by Blackcyclops » 26 Mar 2020, 02:49

I’m fascinated by the very problematic Nanny and Orphan Maker relationship. It’s one we’ve never been given real purview into, so I hope it gets really fleshed out.

I also just always find Scalphunter interesting...there’s a whole lot to explore with him given his healing factor and the fact he’s prolly lived a long time.
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Re: Hellions #1

Post by totaldarknessin » 26 Mar 2020, 02:58

Generally the book was fine. Havoc having this moment of Axis like turn was a bit plate out for me; but hopefully they explain it. He also with Kwannon will serve as the moral voice of the book.

I took do not like Mr. Sinnister's personality here; but then again; I haven't liked his personality in quite a while. Anything is better than Sinister is a System days of emo Sinister. I miss the days of Claremont Sisters like UXM 221, or during Inferno. If there is one character, who's personality has vastly shifted from his original incarnation, it's him.

Lastly, the Twist at the end was interesting. Till this day one of my top 5 favorite X-men Storyline was the Mutant Massacre.

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Re: Hellions #1

Post by Blackcyclops » 26 Mar 2020, 03:02

Well of course he’s changed, he originally was a little kid’s imagination...

I’ll be alone in liking the slightly John Simms-Michelle Gomez “Master” version of Sinister that we get in the DoX books...I’ll admit his dialogue was weird here...although the exchange between him and Exodus made me chuckle.
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Re: Hellions #1

Post by EphemeristX » 26 Mar 2020, 03:34

Psylocke owes Sinister a favor after the events of Fallen Angles. That may be why she's doing this.
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Re: Hellions #1

Post by Fenix » 26 Mar 2020, 10:26

EphemeristX wrote:
26 Mar 2020, 03:34
Psylocke owes Sinister a favor after the events of Fallen Angles. That may be why she's doing this.
Its funny if we think Betsy would NEVER comply with Sinister's demands if she was in the same position.
I like the fact both women share so much yet this kind of details serve to distance their core personalities.

Anyway, Sinister should know better and expect Kwannon will seek "revanche" sooner than later for this kind of blackmail.
Or maybe he does...

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Re: Hellions #1

Post by Flapflop » 26 Mar 2020, 11:29

Interesting bunch of misfits.

Seems the evil AXIS persona of Alex is still in his head (Emma didnt reverted him properly) thoug Psylocke trusts him and telepathically lets him know the plan of Scott (at least thats what i think is implied)

About the twist:
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Wonder wich Maddy this is, the 'original' one resurrected by Arkea or the one from Secret Wars that has come over to the new 616
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Re: Hellions #1

Post by medium13 » 26 Mar 2020, 13:28

I think this was a strong start for the book. I like the art quite a bit, and I'm having trouble grasping the critique Insipid. I am a little confounded by Alex's behavior but also bored by it. I think the rage/evil/unstable mental states subplots for Havok and Polaris are tired. Scalphunter is easily the character I'm most interested in exploring but I would be interested in getting greater depth and understanding on each character here. However, I am concerned about Kwannon completely lacking any development or independent character at all. While it's clear editorial wanted to keep her aesthetic since Psylocke proved such a popular character post body-swap, they should have made a distinction with her personality as well. Prove to the reader this isn't Betsy. Perhaps they should have distinguished her powers as well. Angry scowling and promising violence doesn't do it for me.

I'm not a huge Marauders fan. They are fun scary villains, even when they are reject clones. Maddie doesn't excite me at all. But I'll keep reading. Hoping Malice will make an appearance.

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Re: Hellions #1

Post by Blackcyclops » 26 Mar 2020, 14:03

I agree with Fenix though, I think Psylocke does feel different from who Betsy is now...like I read this and immediately separated the two in my mind. I don’t know if that’s because Excalibur (along with the work Bunn and Remender) has done such a great job imo of really showing a progression and different character for Betsy lately (also because the art is so different this Psylocke looks like a different character than Betsy) or what but I do at least find appreciable differences between the two.

I do hope that Psylocke continues to develop a more distinct identity from old-Psylocke but I do expect it to take time because old Psylocke was very much a mixture of the two characters anyway. So for Betsy to be one way, Psylocke will have to develop another. Which will probably be the bad-ass ninja with a dark side and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that though...
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Re: Hellions #1

Post by kalibeast » 28 Mar 2020, 19:13

I mean, it’s still bizarre that Kwannon is going by “Psylocke” in the first place. Call her Kwannon or Revanche or make up a new name. That would at least clear up some confusion, because right now the only thing physically distinguishing her from Betsy-Psylocke is the fact that her hair isn’t colored purple in this issue.

As a fan of the 80s-90s X-Men, it made my heart happy to see the Hellions, the Morlocks (Tommy!), and the Marauders. Weird that the Council accuses Scalphunter of attacking the Morlocks when clearly Callisto ordered an attack.

Storm still seems off to me post-resurrection. I just don’t see her shutting Cyclops down after he expressed concern for his brother, her longtime teammate and friend, who is clearly not right in the head.

I wonder why Vertigo was not included in the Marauders this time?

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Re: Hellions #1

Post by Blackcyclops » 28 Mar 2020, 19:37

Well given the silent nature of John, I took it that the Morlocks told on him and they framed the narrative...
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Re: Hellions #1

Post by norwichchris » 28 Mar 2020, 19:38

I think Vertigo left the team?

I like how this issue addressed the problem of mutants who have harmed other mutants and remember Scalphunter did kill several of the Morlocks during the mutant massacre.

Betsy is know Captain Britain and won't be called "Psylocke" for a long while. She left Kwannon keep the name as they wanted closure between them.

Has Storm been resurrected she may still be suffering from the affects of the virus the COTV gave her?

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Re: Hellions #1

Post by Monolith » 28 Mar 2020, 20:34

Vertigo is technically a Mutate, not a mutant, which may play into this story. The Marauders were always perpetually cloneable under Sinister, but she likely wouldn't be open to the Resurrection Five's power.
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