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Re: Powers of X #2 (SPOILERS)

Post by Blackcyclops » 14 Aug 2019, 15:52

Interesting theories above me...

I think, since we are putting them out there, that all of this is Moira's 10th life and I think what she learns there will be what her 11th life is and that will be the place that the world of the books takes place after this is all done.
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Re: Powers of X #2 (SPOILERS)

Post by Nu-D » 14 Aug 2019, 16:56

Blackcyclops wrote:
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Interesting theories above me...

I think, since we are putting them out there, that all of this is Moira's 10th life and I think what she learns there will be what her 11th life is and that will be the place that the world of the books takes place after this is all done.
Will Moira XI be 616, or a new timeline?

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Re: Powers of X #2 (SPOILERS)

Post by Blackcyclops » 14 Aug 2019, 17:00

I think 616 because I don't think this storyline will be a universe reset...
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Re: Powers of X #2 (SPOILERS)

Post by _Rick_ » 14 Aug 2019, 18:59

Looking at previous posts, are people interpreting the Xavier-Moira-Magneto meeting as happening before the formation of the x-men or later? I assumed it was between the whole de-aging/re-aging thing and Magneto's reforming and taking over the School in the 80s but some posts make me think people are assuming the former.

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Re: Powers of X #2 (SPOILERS)

Post by Blackcyclops » 14 Aug 2019, 19:14

Well if it occurs at X0 doesn’t it have to occur at or before the birth of the x-men
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Re: Powers of X #2 (SPOILERS)

Post by _Rick_ » 14 Aug 2019, 19:34

Honestly... I don't know. The whole "year one" thing is confusing (specially after Jordan D. White confirmed it wasn't meant to be taken literally but rather as orders of magnitude). This meeting has to happen years after the previous Moira and Xavier scene since Xavier was walking in that one (and indeed he was walking during his time at Oxford). This scene has him in a wheelchair and Magneto doesn't seem surprised by that. Also, Magneto seems to know who Moira is and they didn't meet until after the X-men were formed IIRC.

Also, looking at the timelines chart, in timeline 4 (which is supposed to be similar to 616) the school was established when Moira was 35 (and House of X #2 shows the O5). As per timeline 10, this meeting is supposed to be happening when Moira is 43. Granted you could say that maybe in life 4 the school opened sooner but it can't have opened 8 years sooner otherwise the x-men rosters would be much different since the O5 would be too young at the time.

4 years (from Moira being 43 during early New Mutants to Moira being 47 at the end of Claremont's first run) seems about right for the 2nd option but too short of a time period to encompass everything from 1963 to 1991. This means that the period of Magneto, Xavier and Moira working together would be from just before Magneto took over Xavier's school, to the time of X-men #1 when he got pissed at Moira after founding out that she tried to alter his "genetic matrix" to cure his instability.
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Re: Powers of X #2 (SPOILERS)

Post by Blackcyclops » 14 Aug 2019, 19:37

Yeah I’m not saying you’re wrong (as I’ve pointed out some confusion I have over the X0 thing and the years in Noira’s timeline) but I was just going off that PoX 1
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Re: Powers of X #2 (SPOILERS)

Post by _Rick_ » 14 Aug 2019, 19:51

Blackcyclops wrote:
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Yeah I’m not saying you’re wrong (as I’ve pointed out some confusion I have over the X0 thing and the years in Noira’s timeline) but I was just going off that PoX 1
Yeah, it doesn't make much sense. Either we're all missing something or this "order of magnitude stuff" is really weird because if we assume that both scenes happen in timeline 10 then X0 includes Moira meeting Xavier when she was 17 and recruiting Magneto when she is 43. That's 26 years between the two scenes and yet they are both labeled as "year one".

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Post by Majestic » 14 Aug 2019, 22:31

_Rick_ wrote:
14 Aug 2019, 19:51
Blackcyclops wrote:
14 Aug 2019, 19:37
Yeah I’m not saying you’re wrong (as I’ve pointed out some confusion I have over the X0 thing and the years in Noira’s timeline) but I was just going off that PoX 1
Yeah, it doesn't make much sense. Either we're all missing something or this "order of magnitude stuff" is really weird because if we assume that both scenes happen in timeline 10 then X0 includes Moira meeting Xavier when she was 17 and recruiting Magneto when she is 43. That's 26 years between the two scenes and yet they are both labeled as "year one".
Honestly, I think it might be best just to think about the "orders of magnitude" as—if not a totally abstract estimate—then as the number of digits in the year being depicted (with notable the exception that anything occurring before the X-Men are founded—like the stuff with teenage Moira—is also classified as "X⁰") and not get any more specific than that. As has been discussed nearly ad nauseum, trying to pin down a year-by-year timeline is a losing proposition.

…Yeah, I'm comfortable with perceiving it simply as a stylistic flourish to indicate different eras rather than try to cram everything we're seeing into years 0, 10, 100, and 1000 specifically.
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Re: Powers of X #2 (SPOILERS)

Post by Lavettye » 14 Aug 2019, 22:50

Overall, this issue didn't excite me as the three before, but I guess it would have been really hard to compete with last week's shocker.

The useage of the Bermuda Island is intriguing. It sort of narrows the time frame for that meeting of Moira, Mags and Xavier to have occured namely somewhen between UXM #147, when Magneto raised the island and X-Men Unlimited #9 when it was sent to the N'Garai Dimension. The Island also had a temple with some sort of link to limbo's stepping disks, as was shown in the issue when little Illyana was dragged o Limbo and returned as a teenager after spending several years there.

Regarding "X0", I had the same thought. It might just refer to any scene that happened a few years before "now", and as such would be just a fancy way to say "flashback".

That's a great observation about ML9, and I believe you are absolutely on the right track there. It also adds up with the established population number for Asteroid K from PoX #1. There it said they were just eight people living there, and so far we've seen only seven. The eighth could definitely be the "Old Man"s partner. BTW, I guess the K in Asteroid K stands for Krakoa, so a part of it might be ending up hurled into space yet again.
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Re: Powers of X #2 (SPOILERS)

Post by UrbanExplorer » 14 Aug 2019, 22:58

Is that this Magneto island where Cyclops and that Lee woman stranded, decades ago? And then Magneto and Lee also did some intensive „stranding“ there as much as I can remember.

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Post by Dragonzombie » 14 Aug 2019, 23:11

In Mutant years.

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Post by Lavettye » 14 Aug 2019, 23:15

Yes, that's the one. That building in the front by the coastline with the huge statue in front of it was also shown in the opening pages of UXM #148.
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Re: Powers of X #2 (SPOILERS)

Post by Magnus » 14 Aug 2019, 23:46

I find it funny that you guys are all digging into the differences between House of X and Powers of X and my main takeaway after this issue is that they should've just made it one 12-issue maxi-series. :) After all, we still got a scene of the 'present' (assuming the scenes with helmet-clad Xavier, white-uniform Magneto and Cyclops are 'the present' but who knows for sure?) in this title when we didn't get one last week in HoX. There's a lot here to unpack, and to be honest I can't muster up the brainpower to try and unravel it... I'm more than happy to just wait and see what happens next week.

I do agree that this issue really felt like setup (and without any great wham moments like last issue) and the end stuff with Phalanx in the far future might be getting a bit too high-concept sci-fi for me. I mean, I do like that stuff, just might be a bit too disconnected from being an X-Men story for me. But I'm sure it'll tie in somehow down the road.

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Re: Powers of X #2 (SPOILERS)

Post by totaldarknessin » 15 Aug 2019, 02:22

I liked this issue; though still iffy about constantly jumping times to give a brief story. For example; just when I wanted to what what Apocalpyse was doing; story moved on; just when I wanted to see what the union of magneto; charles and Moira were about to do; story moved on; and just when i wanted to see what Nimrod was going to do after he incinerated those humans; then story again moved on.

With that said; I think I'm fully on board with Jonathan Hickman's new run to see where it goes. I just hope it isn't a two year run then that's it. X-men needs a stable writer for many many years to craft a stable unified ongoing story.

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Post by EphemeristX » 15 Aug 2019, 08:28

This issue definitely sheds new light on the Phalanx Covenant crossover. All that with the Babel Spire and the Technarch. Dude, this is cool.
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Post by Flapflop » 15 Aug 2019, 09:46

Had another thourough look at the timline from HoX #2. If its 616 (i still think it is) or not, X0 from PoX is Moira's Tenth live, so Moira X

In that timline there is an entry about Xavier and Moira meeting, wich we saw in Pox 1 and Hox 2, then years later (thats why Xavier is a wheelchair now and Magneto knows Moira already) they are recruting Magneto, wich we see in Pox #2. Next entry on that timline is the Schism between the three, which we will probably see in the X0 part in a future issue. So the whole Krakoa thing could also be Xaviers and Magneto's (part of the) plan after the Schism, not necessary Moira X.
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Post by Lavettye » 15 Aug 2019, 09:54

By the way, the next issue blurbs translate as
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"This is what you do" and "Once more unto the breach". Both seem Moira related, the first being her in talks with someone about their plan, the second is possibly the step from life 9 to life 10.
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Post by Mattmeyeruk » 15 Aug 2019, 10:36

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This appears during the future x100 bit so suggests it is an extension of Moiras 9th life and I saw on twitter some suggest shes in that Sarcophagus.

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Post by Flapflop » 15 Aug 2019, 11:13

Could mean maybe were seeing multiple Moira timelines in PoX, wich makes it even more confusing to pinpoint everything.
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Re: Powers of X #2 (SPOILERS)

Post by das_boot » 15 Aug 2019, 11:52

Flapflop wrote:
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Could mean maybe were seeing multiple Moira timelines in PoX, wich makes it even more confusing to pinpoint everything.
Until you consider that Nimrods have time travel tech, and presumably if Moirapocalypse is still alive in the sarcophagus, that means her ninth lifetime is still, at this moment, a fixed point. Similar to when Hickman said her power didn’t activate when she was in a coma, if she’s in some kind of suspended animation, she also won’t reincarnate, making it likely that Moira9’s life was ridiculously long. Perhaps in POX we’re seeing her latest and most devastating failure to complete her goal, whilst MoiraX in HOX is us seeing her last chance saloon type lifetime.
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Post by tokenBG1009 » 15 Aug 2019, 12:34

So, saw it mentioned on reddit, but it seems Hickman has inverted the relationship of the Phalanx and the Technarchy. Originally, the Technarchy created the Phalanx. Here it seems to be swapped around.

I doubt it means anything, but it's just interesting.
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Post by Lavettye » 15 Aug 2019, 13:11

Flapflop wrote:
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Could mean maybe were seeing multiple Moira timelines in PoX, wich makes it even more confusing to pinpoint everything.
That's where the artist's twitter comment comes back in, who said that it was significant that narrator Moira was sometimes looking to the left and sometimes looking to the right while explaining her life.
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Post by Blackcyclops » 15 Aug 2019, 13:58

tokenBG1009 wrote:
15 Aug 2019, 12:34
So, saw it mentioned on reddit, but it seems Hickman has inverted the relationship of the Phalanx and the Technarchy. Originally, the Technarchy created the Phalanx. Here it seems to be swapped around.

I doubt it means anything, but it's just interesting.

Oh yeah he literally does...which is why initially I didnt like it but when I got to the end of the info pages, it makes it wayyy more interesting and gives a different context to Annihilation Conquest
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Re: Powers of X #2 (SPOILERS)

Post by manuel_mc89 » 15 Aug 2019, 14:58

Btw, what a cool Cyclops moment was that: "Does it need doing?" "Then it will be done". Our boy is determined and is confident of his teams abilities (or, you know, being mind controled)
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