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Marvelous X-Men #5

Post by Blackcyclops » 12 Jun 2019, 12:04

Ugh...
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Re: Amazing X-Men #5

Post by summerset » 12 Jun 2019, 16:36

This was... weird... in a bad way...

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Re: Amazing X-Men #5

Post by Blackcyclops » 12 Jun 2019, 16:44

This would be 10 times better issue if the last 4 issues did a better job of actually building to this.

I mean it's an uneven book but it does get us to that endpoint that stories like this require. Now it feels weird with how it kind of jumps around (it feels like the writer has alot to say but gets somewhat jumbled) but at least I know what it was building towards and even felt interested in what it was saying. But none of it felt earned...this felt like a late-Bendis X-Men type of story. Like we're supposed to be invested in what was built and I don't see it. Like all the pieces were there (I mean I can see a better 5 part series in these 5 issues that doesn't even require much altering) but man did it just not come together.
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Re: Amazing X-Men #5

Post by das_boot » 12 Jun 2019, 17:33

I assume this was meant to be about Marvelous X-Men #5? Either way, the adjective is NOT fitting.
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Re: Amazing X-Men #5

Post by Blackcyclops » 12 Jun 2019, 17:34

das_boot wrote:
12 Jun 2019, 17:33
I assume this was meant to be about Marvelous X-Men #5? Either way, the adjective is NOT fitting.
Sorry Das
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Re: Amazing X-Men #5

Post by das_boot » 12 Jun 2019, 18:47

Blackcyclops wrote:
12 Jun 2019, 17:34
das_boot wrote:
12 Jun 2019, 17:33
I assume this was meant to be about Marvelous X-Men #5? Either way, the adjective is NOT fitting.
Sorry Das
Unless you wrote this title, you have nothing to apologise for.

If you did? X-fan card. Give it.
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Re: Amazing X-Men #5

Post by Blackcyclops » 12 Jun 2019, 18:52

das_boot wrote:
12 Jun 2019, 18:47
Blackcyclops wrote:
12 Jun 2019, 17:34
das_boot wrote:
12 Jun 2019, 17:33
I assume this was meant to be about Marvelous X-Men #5? Either way, the adjective is NOT fitting.
Sorry Das
Unless you wrote this title, you have nothing to apologise for.

If you did? X-fan card. Give it.
Lol, I meant the title of the thread lol...

This I didn’t write.
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Re: Marvelous X-Men #5

Post by tokenBG1009 » 13 Jun 2019, 09:05

So, I haven't read any issues of this event. The premise of it was an instant nope as soon as it was announced and I saw all the covers.

Regardless, I decided to read this issue because I know what the event is about. All I got to say is wtf is this crap?
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Re: Marvelous X-Men #5

Post by das_boot » 13 Jun 2019, 10:32

Token, I honestly think that at this point the best thing that can be said about this crossover is that it’s over soon. I literally cannot abide how sloppy and plotless this Story is.
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Re: Marvelous X-Men #5

Post by tokenBG1009 » 13 Jun 2019, 11:10

das_boot wrote:
13 Jun 2019, 10:32
Token, I honestly think that at this point the best thing that can be said about this crossover is that it’s over soon. I literally cannot abide how sloppy and plotless this Story is.
Yeah, I don't feel I've missed anything not reading it. I'm more annoyed all of these titles took the place of potential other books. I guess something had to be sacrificed and take up space until the next phase begins.
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Re: Marvelous X-Men #5

Post by Magnus » 13 Jun 2019, 23:08

At the start I was all happy for my guess to be right (about Colossus murdering Moneta). Well, I suppose I was half right, as Moneta is the deceased (good riddance, but it does make me wonder if Unveil should be taking out life insurance) but turns out Apocalypse is the killer.

I'm really trying to figure out the timeline here:

MXM#4 (Xavier Day): Kitty phases through Colossus, he sees their real history.
X-Tracts #3: Colossus tries to talk to Kitty, Apocalypse breaks them up. (This could possibly be prior to Xavier Day, but Colossus is wearing the same suit in A&XT#4, implying it's ripped up from his fight here)
X-Tracts #4: Colossus meets up with Kitty (and Apocalypse) again. (This is definitely after the Xaver Day meeting). Apocalypse then has time to go meet with Nate.
MXM#4: Colossus leaves the X-Men and is confronted by Dept X (Moneta, Jubilee, Northstar, and Psylocke) outside his door. The last we see of him is in the middle of combat with Jubilee yelling "Moneta, get the collar!"
X-Tremists #4: Three panels of Moneta going to a coffee house where Apocalypse is, she gets mobbed by his followers. This appears to be happening at the same time the other Dept X members awaken to their full memories.
MXM#5: Moneta goes to "The Bright Disease" looking for Colossus, confronts Apocalypse and gets killed.

So yeah, really don't see how these fit together. There's a huge weird gap after Colossus fights Dept X and then Moneta turns up dead - does Colossus get away? What does the rest of the Dept X do and why does it seem like they just forgot about him? The two "Moneta chases Apocalypse" scenes don't match up. And the timeline for the Colossus/Kitty/Apocalypse stuff doesn't seem to fit anywhere in there either, since it's hard to see how Nate would have time to talk with Apoccy after being confronted by the X-Men in MXM#5.

So even on a basic scale, the plotting between these titles is pretty bad. But even just taking MXM self-contained on it's own, it doesn't have a good narrative structure, just sorta hopping around without any focus. We've seen different characters get the spotlight (Magneto/Storm, then X-Man, then Jean) but it doesn't go anywhere. I still think one of the biggest problems is the lack of any clear explanation or 'ruleset' for what's going, and not having a good reason for why the false memories are failing and people are waking up. I think it would've worked a lot better to show why Nate's failing instead of it seemingly just happening because the plot demands it.

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Re: Marvelous X-Men #5

Post by Usernamenotimportant » 13 Jun 2019, 23:58

tokenBG1009 wrote:
13 Jun 2019, 11:10
das_boot wrote:
13 Jun 2019, 10:32
Token, I honestly think that at this point the best thing that can be said about this crossover is that it’s over soon. I literally cannot abide how sloppy and plotless this Story is.
Yeah, I don't feel I've missed anything not reading it. I'm more annoyed all of these titles took the place of potential other books. I guess something had to be sacrificed and take up space until the next phase begins.
Yeah, but they didn't need to do this- would be better to just continue the previous books and replace the 05 team in Blue with a Cyclops-led team.

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