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Percy Talkd About the Beast Agenda

Post by Blackcyclops » 19 Jan 2023, 18:19

So on one hand we have the existence of a being who can reset the entire timeline, destroying everything…, and on the other hand we have a few mind wipes and some gaslighting. You're right, totally evenly weighted.
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Post by AntiBody » 19 Jan 2023, 18:38

Chilling! So excited to read all about this!
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Post by EphemeristX » 19 Jan 2023, 18:44

Glad to hear we're about to get some payoff on a few of these long simmering storylines. Between this and the events of Dark Web, we're seeing the pieces being put in place for the next phase of Krakoa.
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Post by Milkshake08 » 19 Jan 2023, 21:00

Still hate X-Force. Percy....I just don't like where he's taking these characters, sorry. I don't think he's a bad writer, I do think he's a BRO writer. Like LOOK HOW COOL THIS IS. And that just isn't what I want to read.

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Post by das_boot » 27 Jan 2023, 16:28

Milkshake08 wrote:
19 Jan 2023, 21:00
Still hate X-Force. Percy....I just don't like where he's taking these characters, sorry. I don't think he's a bad writer, I do think he's a BRO writer. Like LOOK HOW COOL THIS IS. And that just isn't what I want to read.
THIS. I honestly feel like he still listens to nu-metal like it’s coming back any time soon and wants some sick flaming wrist tattoos
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Post by Milkshake08 » 27 Jan 2023, 18:07

das_boot wrote:
27 Jan 2023, 16:28
Milkshake08 wrote:
19 Jan 2023, 21:00
Still hate X-Force. Percy....I just don't like where he's taking these characters, sorry. I don't think he's a bad writer, I do think he's a BRO writer. Like LOOK HOW COOL THIS IS. And that just isn't what I want to read.
THIS. I honestly feel like he still listens to nu-metal like it’s coming back any time soon and wants some sick flaming wrist tattoos
YES. I mean that's what the entire X Lives of Wolverine crossover felt like in a nutshell. And that godawful Wolverine issue where he was riding an adamantium surfboard? Like WHY? It just reeks of "see my cool ideas, bro? Aren't they badass? So cool man"

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Post by Cable » 27 Jan 2023, 19:01

You can get even more of that if you want by reading his Ghost Rider. Like in the most recent issue GR put a chainsaw on his chains and was swinging it around cutting up the demons. Which is cool but a little TOO cool lol
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X-titles: Wolverine #43 by Victor LaValle (2), Benjamin Percy (3) and Geoff Shaw (1)
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Re: Percy Talkd About the Beast Agenda

Post by das_boot » 27 Jan 2023, 20:14

Milkshake08 wrote:
27 Jan 2023, 18:07
das_boot wrote:
27 Jan 2023, 16:28
Milkshake08 wrote:
19 Jan 2023, 21:00
Still hate X-Force. Percy....I just don't like where he's taking these characters, sorry. I don't think he's a bad writer, I do think he's a BRO writer. Like LOOK HOW COOL THIS IS. And that just isn't what I want to read.
THIS. I honestly feel like he still listens to nu-metal like it’s coming back any time soon and wants some sick flaming wrist tattoos
YES. I mean that's what the entire X Lives of Wolverine crossover felt like in a nutshell. And that godawful Wolverine issue where he was riding an adamantium surfboard? Like WHY? It just reeks of "see my cool ideas, bro? Aren't they badass? So cool man"
It was the issue where he was using a pocket watch as a bad metaphor for me. I’d literally just been talking to one of my friends whose boyfriend is a tattoo artist and he was talking about how it’s always the folk who think they’re really “deep” who get pocket watch tattoos and I just died laughing reading the attempt at prose
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Post by Jindianajonz » 27 Jan 2023, 20:32

Milkshake08 wrote:
27 Jan 2023, 18:07
das_boot wrote:
27 Jan 2023, 16:28
Milkshake08 wrote:
19 Jan 2023, 21:00
Still hate X-Force. Percy....I just don't like where he's taking these characters, sorry. I don't think he's a bad writer, I do think he's a BRO writer. Like LOOK HOW COOL THIS IS. And that just isn't what I want to read.
THIS. I honestly feel like he still listens to nu-metal like it’s coming back any time soon and wants some sick flaming wrist tattoos
YES. I mean that's what the entire X Lives of Wolverine crossover felt like in a nutshell. And that godawful Wolverine issue where he was riding an adamantium surfboard? Like WHY? It just reeks of "see my cool ideas, bro? Aren't they badass? So cool man"
I dunno- I get where you are coming from, but I don't think he aims for cool too often. Yost and Kyle are my archetypal "bro" writers, but I don't get the same vibe from Percy. I agree that he has a tendency to aim too far over the top, but I'd say he intends to be camp as often as legitimately cool. When he uses violence, I feel that he intends it to be repulsive and not ooh'ed over (though with Deadpool and Wolverine, he makes many attempts at violent comedy).

I've said it before, but his main failings in my eyes are his pacing and ability to develop an ongoing narrative, which is unfortunate given that he's had the longest sustained run in the Krakoa era.

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Post by EvilMonkeyPope » 05 Feb 2023, 00:58

Why did the Beast from Age Of Apocalypse become more ethical than the 616 one?

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Post by Holland Oates » 05 Feb 2023, 23:36

I blame Abigail Brand, for no particular reason.

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Post by tokenBG1009 » 15 Feb 2023, 05:43

EvilMonkeyPope wrote:
05 Feb 2023, 00:58
Why did the Beast from Age Of Apocalypse become more ethical than the 616 one?
Because if you give a morally questionable person all of the power and none of the accountability he's going to become a monster. I don't think Brand made Beast bad. I think Brand saw Beast was as terrible a person as she was and wanted to bag it.
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Re: Percy Talkd About the Beast Agenda

Post by norwichchris » 16 Feb 2023, 14:44

How is DarkBeast Ethical he was a sadistic monster Beast is going that way..

Maybe he's a Sinister-Beast?

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Post by Blackcyclops » 16 Feb 2023, 16:10

norwichchris wrote:
16 Feb 2023, 14:44
How is DarkBeast Ethical he was a sadistic monster Beast is going that way..

Maybe he's a Sinister-Beast?

I don’t think you understood Token’s point (also given that Percy isn’t involved in the storyline, I’d say its 0.0001% chance Beast is a Sinister Beast).

Token is talking about 616-Beast. Which again, while it might seem like a stretch if all you’ve known of Beast is what he was like on the animated series, a comics accurate look at Beast says that similarly to other mega-geniuses in the MU, Beast becoming “dark” isn’t odd or even out of character.

Beast started out as someone with some self-esteem issues due to his physical appearance (which I think alot of people can relate to). Then what does he do? He experiments on himself! That shows that in the pursuit of knowledge, Beast isn’t above skipping some moral lines.

Then we fast-forward through all the stuff he went through about his intelligence and powers and then we get his obsession with curing the Legacy Virus and we see how that almost breaks him. Then we get the Morrison Era were again, his mental state is fragile given everything that happens (we even get glimpses of a future where the world goes to shit basically because Beast couldn’t cut it). And finally we really get the era that completely sends him fully down the path of today: M-Day. In pursuit of restoring mutantkind AND his feud with Cyclops, we see a Beast who really begins to see his place as one where the ends justify the means in the pursuit of the greater good. Even during the TRO saga, Beast wasn’t Steve Rogers…Beast was complicit in the Illuminati’s actions and at times more gung-ho than say Stark.

And now we’re at a place where Beast, having been through all that AND being the person he always was (someone willing to blur the lines to accomplish what he sees is right), he now has fully gone over the edge. But it shouldn’t be surprising. We know that truly only certain people can properly wield the authority and pressure attached to protecting it all. We saw that even Cyclops almost broke up the strain. So yeah Beast is pretty Dark but it’s not like its out of nowhere.

Matter of fact, think about this: in the AoA, Cyclops turned against Sinister…but Beast? He was the Dark Beast. That’s not a full excuse but it should tell you something about who he is deep down.
So on one hand we have the existence of a being who can reset the entire timeline, destroying everything…, and on the other hand we have a few mind wipes and some gaslighting. You're right, totally evenly weighted.
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Post by EvilMonkeyPope » 17 Feb 2023, 01:37

But why put Beast in charge of X-Force to begin with when there are more mutants with black ops experience?

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Post by Blackcyclops » 17 Feb 2023, 01:48

EvilMonkeyPope wrote:
17 Feb 2023, 01:37
But why put Beast in charge of X-Force to begin with when there are more mutants with black ops experience?

I mean all things considered, on paper Beast isn't a bad candidate. I mean how many other choices wouldn't be just as morally gray/evil? Cable, is like the only guy I can think of but when Krakoa started he was a teen and even then he had a much cooler job in outer space. Pete Wisdom is another good choice, and one of the few types that isn't as morally grey but he isn't as dedicated to the state. So that right there wouldn't get him placed high on a hiring drive.

I mean it's alot of X-Force-y type characters but they usually are soldiers or like just field leaders. Beast is "supposed" to be the head honcho, the J Edgar Hoover of the operation. And given his credentials, he isn't a bad choice on paper. But alot of people look great on paper but then when you actually get them in the job, they aren't the best.
So on one hand we have the existence of a being who can reset the entire timeline, destroying everything…, and on the other hand we have a few mind wipes and some gaslighting. You're right, totally evenly weighted.
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Post by EvilMonkeyPope » 17 Feb 2023, 02:02

It just seems like it'd make more sense for the nation to have Beast head up a STEM division like Forge & have Sage run X-Force overall. it feels like they wanted to do a story about Beast abusing power without really justifying why he would be granted that much unchecked power. Of course Krakoa is rife with its leaders running amuck.

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Post by Milkshake08 » 17 Feb 2023, 21:25

I still hold that the mega prison in space is the most ridiculous thing I've read in a comic in a while and I'm extremely frustrated that so many people think it's good storytelling. I can suspend my disbelief for a LOT, but construction alone for that prison would've cost trillions and taken years to build with millions of workers, and nobody on Krakoa knows about it? And it's nbd once they DO find out? Just insane to me.

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Post by Blackcyclops » 17 Feb 2023, 23:30

Milkshake08 wrote:
17 Feb 2023, 21:25
I still hold that the mega prison in space is the most ridiculous thing I've read in a comic in a while and I'm extremely frustrated that so many people think it's good storytelling. I can suspend my disbelief for a LOT, but construction alone for that prison would've cost trillions and taken years to build with millions of workers, and nobody on Krakoa knows about it? And it's nbd once they DO find out? Just insane to me.

If you told me it was in another dimension, like The Grove, I could at least see that. Time move differently and say he used bio-builders or something. But space is too visible too. t least Reed put his prison in thr Negative zone
So on one hand we have the existence of a being who can reset the entire timeline, destroying everything…, and on the other hand we have a few mind wipes and some gaslighting. You're right, totally evenly weighted.
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Post by Gremlin » 18 Feb 2023, 10:56

It’s like that scene out of Community when Frankie reveals she knew of the group’s secret den in the school.

“How was this covert? You built a bar in a school. There was LUMBER involved!”l

How does one build a giant prison in space secretly? I know the Peak acted as a prison at times too but that must have been sanctioned by world governments.
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Post by norwichchris » 21 Feb 2023, 12:57

Milkshake08 wrote:
17 Feb 2023, 21:25
I still hold that the mega prison in space is the most ridiculous thing I've read in a comic in a while and I'm extremely frustrated that so many people think it's good storytelling. I can suspend my disbelief for a LOT, but construction alone for that prison would've cost trillions and taken years to build with millions of workers, and nobody on Krakoa knows about it? And it's nbd once they DO find out? Just insane to me.
Whilst I agree with you about the story telling but it is possible the prision already existed or was created by SWORD/SHIELD maybe. Multiple secret service organizations have hidden bases around the world we likely will never know exist maybe Antarctica for example.

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Post by Blackcyclops » 21 Feb 2023, 13:30

EvilMonkeyPope wrote:
17 Feb 2023, 02:02
It just seems like it'd make more sense for the nation to have Beast head up a STEM division like Forge & have Sage run X-Force overall. it feels like they wanted to do a story about Beast abusing power without really justifying why he would be granted that much unchecked power. Of course Krakoa is rife with its leaders running amuck.
Or they could’ve just created a brand-new character who specifically was perfectly made to lead a bad CIA division. I mean we can do alot of what-ifs and every story is written with a purpose. You name your favorite story and I could dissect it the same way. Now of course, some stories are based on steadier ground than others…

And while the execution isn’t my cup of tea, thr premise makes sense. The FBI wasn’t created by cops but lawyers. Beast isn’t a wetworks guy but really neither is Sage. Sage is great at intelligence gathering but there are clearly other aspects of creating a surveillance-defense state. Beast has alot of qualities that do make him a good pick. He is smart, he has experience with alot of the mutant and human world, but most importantly he has dedication. And that kind of obsession can be desirable (and make for great stories). If you were talking about early 1990s Beast then it would be harder to swallow. But after his efforts to deal with the Legacy Virus and M-Day, we see just how driven he can be. Then we saw him develop and lead a specialist team that, while they were science focused, operated partially independent and did things that leadership questioned at times. And then you had him on the Illuminati…dude isn’t the perfect pick but he isn’t a stretch.

Really my big problem with Percy’s run isn’t what his intentions are for Beast, it’s just that I don’t think he’s done a good job showing the slide for Beast and really building it out. The endpoint (I mean he’s gone too far lol) is fine but the transition there just wasn’t well designed for me.
So on one hand we have the existence of a being who can reset the entire timeline, destroying everything…, and on the other hand we have a few mind wipes and some gaslighting. You're right, totally evenly weighted.
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Post by Holland Oates » 22 Feb 2023, 15:54

EvilMonkeyPope wrote:
17 Feb 2023, 01:37
But why put Beast in charge of X-Force to begin with when there are more mutants with black ops experience?
Maybe he applied for the position. Maybe it was due to his service in the Secret Avengers. He was in two incarnations of that black ops team. He was also one of the Illuminati. But I half suspect that they did this to keep him distracted from thinking about why he wasn’t offered membership in the Krakoan Council.

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Post by Holland Oates » 22 Feb 2023, 16:01

McCoy did show an edgier side in the first run of X-men. He used that potentially lethal device on Unus the Untouchable. And he certainly had a big ego in those days. Of all of the original 5, he was the most likely to make the heel turn imo. Warren joined because he had already been on the hero’s path. Jean needed tutelage. Scott needed someone to tell him what to do and atonement for aiding Jack Winters. Bobby is Bobby.

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