Death of Ms. Marvel

[Northstar404]

https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/ ... -ms-marvel

Though she'll be back in time for the Marvel's most likely.

[EphemeristX]

And probably a mutant.

[Flapflop]

And probably a mutant.

In the comics after her death it will be retconned she was a mutant so she can be resurrected by the Five (if that is still possible after Fall of X). All in time for the Marvels and/or the X-men reboot in the MCU where she will be one of the starting core members.

[tokenBG1009]

That cover does not look good. It looks like something a high school would mock up. The font choice is weird. The characters look kind of pasted on. It's just not great.

As for the story... I need Peter Parker to file a restraining order against Marvel. The only way he's front and center is if it's his fault. Based on Marvel revealing the "terrible thing our hero for" I assume she dies because he was supposed to meet her for a team up and he got delayed so she dies in the struggle after choosing to go it alone.

[manuel_mc89]

I am honestly shocked that there is so much hate for this character on the internet, I mean people are legitimately glad that they are killing her off as if she was a failed character created to fill some sort of woke quota, and now Marvel is being wise and killing her off.

Anyway Ms Marvel is amazing and she deserves better than to be killed off in a book that ain't hers

[Anna Raven]

I am honestly shocked that there is so much hate for this character on the internet, I mean people are legitimately glad that they are killing her off as if she was a failed character created to fill some sort of woke quota, and now Marvel is being wise and killing her off.

Anyway Ms Marvel is amazing and she deserves better than to be killed off in a book that ain't hers

I think the haters are likely not actual comics fans, but people who think they like comics, but don't read them. But they do have a certain agenda when it comes to pop culture.

[WorldWideWade]

For some reason I picture those types of people as fans of only Batman. Like that is the only character they can identify with, a dark, moody, angry loner who thinks he's better than everyone else.

Of course they won't kill off the face of the new generation for long. If anything, getting a big publicized death means the character has made it big. All the best heroes have a death and rebirth arc. I haven't been reading Spider-man so I'm not sure how this will naturally fit into his book though.

[das_boot]

I am honestly shocked that there is so much hate for this character on the internet, I mean people are legitimately glad that they are killing her off as if she was a failed character created to fill some sort of woke quota, and now Marvel is being wise and killing her off.

Anyway Ms Marvel is amazing and she deserves better than to be killed off in a book that ain't hers

I think the haters are likely not actual comics fans, but people who think they like comics, but don't read them. But they do have a certain agenda when it comes to pop culture.

I dunno. There was definitely a poster or two on here when Ms Marvel was announced as a Pakistani-American Muslim superhero that made some CHOICE comments too.

Edit: sorry, FORMER poster or two.

[Blackcyclops]

When she comes back as a mutant, they’re gonna be soooooo pissed.

[das_boot]

When she comes back as a mutant, they’re gonna be soooooo pissed.

I mean… I’ll be annoyed at the sloppiness if she comes back with her MCU powers but if we know that latent Inhuman and Mutant genes kind of cancel one another out (Hello Luna), and they can argue that Kamala will come back but perhaps with different abilities…?

It’s still sloppy, but it’s hardly as if it’s the sloppiest way that Marvel have initiated major changes in a character. While I’ve not been a fan of Ms Marvel’s solo titles (they were fine enough I just didn’t resonate with them, but will defend to the death her importance within the wider marvel universe), I like the character and I really hope that Marvel don’t fumble this and generate a change in her personality with this— especially because there’s a fair amount of tradition and lore within the faith of Islam regarding death— and to stay true to Kamala as a character, this would need to be addressed.

[Cable]

When she comes back as a mutant, they’re gonna be soooooo pissed.

I would feel bad for the guys over at inhumans.net. What would they have left?

[das_boot]

When she comes back as a mutant, they’re gonna be soooooo pissed.

I would feel bad for the guys over at inhumans.net. What would they have left?

Lockjaw?

[tokenBG1009]

I think Kamala as a mutant is fine and a far better explanation for why she has her powers when none of her family seem to have powers despite the reason for her having powers being she has Inhuman DNA. One of her parents should have developed something. Having her be a mutant fixes that pretty easily. I do NOT want her powers to change. The glowy powers would probably look really cool, but I love her current power set. I have a functioning enough brain to differentiate her from Reed Richards. I also really rather she not be a big fixture in the X-Men. She's worked fine as a mostly solo character along with joining up with the Champions.

It's not like there's some weird rule that all mutants must be X-Men. "Mutant" was basically the answer when "Why does this character have powers?" didn't have a specific background.

It's interesting to me people are worried that Kamala would fade away if she's tied to the X-Men. The X-Men does have a character bloat issue. It also has a problem with X-Characters not doing super well with solo titles. The difference is MOST X-Characters are created for the X-Franchise. Nearly everything about them is tied into the X-Franchise. Kamala is not one of these characters. If that were true she'd have faded away when the Inhumans got dumpstered.

[Blackcyclops]

Looking at it another way, the X-Men don’t have a character bloat problem, X-fans have a “I love every obscure character” problem and writers have a “I just made this cool in 1992 and now some fan will love them but nobody else will write them, so for the next 3 decades somebody at a con will ask me about that character” problem…a problem of abundance lol

But I agree with your point Token about why she would stand out and what sets her apart. And also I also do not want her powers to change either!

[das_boot]

I hope her powers don’t change if just because I feel like it would be quite unfair for her to go back to having to relearn her new powers— she’s had her “nascent hero” arc and she doesn’t really need another one when she’s more than proven her competence

[ultimatekey]

When she comes back as a mutant, they’re gonna be soooooo pissed.

I mean… I’ll be annoyed at the sloppiness if she comes back with her MCU powers but if we know that latent Inhuman and Mutant genes kind of cancel one another out (Hello Luna), and they can argue that Kamala will come back but perhaps with different abilities…?

It’s still sloppy, but it’s hardly as if it’s the sloppiest way that Marvel have initiated major changes in a character. While I’ve not been a fan of Ms Marvel’s solo titles (they were fine enough I just didn’t resonate with them, but will defend to the death her importance within the wider marvel universe), I like the character and I really hope that Marvel don’t fumble this and generate a change in her personality with this— especially because there’s a fair amount of tradition and lore within the faith of Islam regarding death— and to stay true to Kamala as a character, this would need to be addressed.

Not to derail from the thread, is Luna officially considered an "inhuman?"

Her father is no longer a "mutant."

[ultimatekey]

When she comes back as a mutant, they’re gonna be soooooo pissed.

I would feel bad for the guys over at inhumans.net. What would they have left?

Lockjaw?

What about Moon Girl?

Black Bolt?

Quake?

[ultimatekey]

When she comes back as a mutant, they’re gonna be soooooo pissed.

I mean… I’ll be annoyed at the sloppiness if she comes back with her MCU powers but if we know that latent Inhuman and Mutant genes kind of cancel one another out (Hello Luna), and they can argue that Kamala will come back but perhaps with different abilities…?

It’s still sloppy, but it’s hardly as if it’s the sloppiest way that Marvel have initiated major changes in a character. While I’ve not been a fan of Ms Marvel’s solo titles (they were fine enough I just didn’t resonate with them, but will defend to the death her importance within the wider marvel universe), I like the character and I really hope that Marvel don’t fumble this and generate a change in her personality with this— especially because there’s a fair amount of tradition and lore within the faith of Islam regarding death— and to stay true to Kamala as a character, this would need to be addressed.

That reminds me of what happened to Dust in that alternate universe story within the Young X-Men comic book series.

[tokenBG1009]

I would feel bad for the guys over at inhumans.net. What would they have left?

Lockjaw?

What about Moon Girl?

Black Bolt?

Quake?

Man, talk bad timing. Making Moon Girl Inhuman just ended up being a flop. Probably unimportant to her success, but a bad idea.

Have Quake or Black Bolt shown up... anywhere since the Inhuman failure?

[Blackcyclops]

Black Bolt will be popping up in Hickman’s new book.

[das_boot]

It’s a shame, I liked Quake. Considering she was once considered enough of a power player character to be a TV show lead, she sure seems to have dropped off the radar since (at least as far as my “I only really read X-Men” ass knows)

[Blackcyclops]

It’s a shame, I liked Quake. Considering she was once considered enough of a power player character to be a TV show lead, she sure seems to have dropped off the radar since (at least as far as my “I only really read X-Men” ass knows)

Yeah she survived the Inhuman purge and isn’t a member of the Royal Family but has kinda vanished. I’m shocked she hasn’t shown up with Maria Hill. But given that SHIELD is restarting, I’m betting she’ll be back.

[Cable]

There was a new Force Works book a couple years ago where Hill assembled a team and Quake was indeed a member.