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Hellions to end with issue #18 and the return of [SPOILER]

Post by EphemeristX » 14 Sep 2021, 20:51

Marvel has revealed that Hellions will come to and end this December with the return of....

details at AiPT.


Frankly, I'm gutted. I hope most of this cast gets reshuffled into something new as well as the creative team. This book has consistently been one of my faves each month, and I'm so sad to see it go. From the solicit, it seems like it's going out with a bang, at least.
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Re: Hellions to end with issue #18 and the return of [SPOILER]

Post by Blackcyclops » 14 Sep 2021, 21:24

What if it ends with the whole team in the pit…
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Re: Hellions to end with issue #18 and the return of [SPOILER]

Post by Gremlin » 14 Sep 2021, 21:53

I would guess the line is going through a soft relaunch once Hickman leaves. I really like the Hellions and hope Zeb Wells gets another title. The way the solicit is worded makes me think the story from the final issue is a springboard to another title.
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Post by das_boot » 15 Sep 2021, 07:29

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Re: Hellions to end with issue #18 and the return of [SPOILER]

Post by Flapflop » 15 Sep 2021, 09:25

Gremlin wrote:
14 Sep 2021, 21:53
I would guess the line is going through a soft relaunch once Hickman leaves. I really like the Hellions and hope Zeb Wells gets another title. The way the solicit is worded makes me think the story from the final issue is a springboard to another title.
I think all titles will end/reboot/change into new titles after Inferno. Common thing at Marvel since Morrison to end and (soft) reboot/relaunch everything when the leading writer leaves.
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Re: Hellions to end with issue #18 and the return of [SPOILER]

Post by SMidnite » 15 Sep 2021, 10:35

They're dropping one of the best titles, while the worst of the bunch is still running, and rewarding one of the worst writers with a weekly title?

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Post by Blackcyclops » 15 Sep 2021, 11:34

Flapflop wrote:
15 Sep 2021, 09:25
Gremlin wrote:
14 Sep 2021, 21:53
I would guess the line is going through a soft relaunch once Hickman leaves. I really like the Hellions and hope Zeb Wells gets another title. The way the solicit is worded makes me think the story from the final issue is a springboard to another title.
I think all titles will end/reboot/change into new titles after Inferno. Common thing at Marvel since Morrison to end and (soft) reboot/relaunch everything when the leading writer leaves.

That wouldn’t make sense since after Morrison came a very very different take and No one said the Krakoan era itself is ending, which is the kind of “relaunch” you’re talking about.

What seems more likely is a transition to something else, so no relaunch of every title after Inferno. More like what happened when the San Fran era became the Utopia Era or how things transitioned after AoA to the post-AoA world: some new books, some old books relaunching and some old books just shifting.
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Re: Hellions to end with issue #18 and the return of [SPOILER]

Post by Flapflop » 15 Sep 2021, 11:45

Blackcyclops wrote:
15 Sep 2021, 11:34
Flapflop wrote:
15 Sep 2021, 09:25
Gremlin wrote:
14 Sep 2021, 21:53
I would guess the line is going through a soft relaunch once Hickman leaves. I really like the Hellions and hope Zeb Wells gets another title. The way the solicit is worded makes me think the story from the final issue is a springboard to another title.
I think all titles will end/reboot/change into new titles after Inferno. Common thing at Marvel since Morrison to end and (soft) reboot/relaunch everything when the leading writer leaves.

That wouldn’t make sense since after Morrison came a very very different take and No one said the Krakoan era itself is ending, which is the kind of “relaunch” you’re talking about.

What seems more likely is a transition to something else, so no relaunch of every title after Inferno. More like what happened when the San Fran era became the Utopia Era or how things transitioned after AoA to the post-AoA world: some new books, some old books relaunching and some old books just shifting.
True, but i have a feeling they want to go on with Krakoa but with their own ideas and aura, so cancelling all Hickmanian titles is the way to do that
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Post by tokenBG1009 » 15 Sep 2021, 14:15

I think I agree with Flapflop, sorry BC!

I think most titles will end up relaunching post Inferno EXCEPT for maybe X-Men as that's basically in a post Hickman state already. We're going to stay in Krakoa and it will be SIMILAR to San Fran to Utopia, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the majority of books relaunched in some way.
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Post by Flapflop » 15 Sep 2021, 14:31

tokenBG1009 wrote:
15 Sep 2021, 14:15
I think I agree with Flapflop, sorry BC!

I think most titles will end up relaunching post Inferno EXCEPT for maybe X-Men as that's basically in a post Hickman state already. We're going to stay in Krakoa and it will be SIMILAR to San Fran to Utopia, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the majority of books relaunched in some way.
I think most of the basic Krakoan ideas of Hickman stay (Krakoa as Mutant country, Council) but will be unHickmanned in a way. So new vibe from the same ideas.

Maybe Moira and the Trirumvirate, even resurrections, will be written out without having to reset the universe. Like put Moira in the Pit and she technically will be immobillised but wont die so the universe stays this way.
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Post by tokenBG1009 » 15 Sep 2021, 14:34

I think some of the higher ideas may become less prevalent. I wouldn't be surprised if the Council is gone or completely gutted with fresh faces. I'm still not a fan of outright murderous villains on the Council for instance and I feel that was more a Hickman idea to show the moral greyness of country running. That greyness may still exist, but I wouldn't be surprised if some members aren't in their seats after this. (Namely Exodus and Sinister, Shaw and Mystique I wouldn't be surprised to see still having a seat at the table though.)
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Post by Cable » 15 Sep 2021, 14:48

It is a bummer because this is arguably the best X-book but it is kind of built into the nature of the title. This team simply cannot function long-term lol
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Post by Blackcyclops » 15 Sep 2021, 14:53

Cable wrote:
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It is a bummer because this is arguably the best X-book but it is kind of built into the nature of the title. This team simply cannot function long-term lol

That’s why I said it would be a fitting ending if they did all end up in the Hole. At least temporarily…like it kinda fits the chaotic nature of the story, right?
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Post by Blackcyclops » 15 Sep 2021, 14:57

tokenBG1009 wrote:
15 Sep 2021, 14:15
I think I agree with Flapflop, sorry BC!

I think most titles will end up relaunching post Inferno EXCEPT for maybe X-Men as that's basically in a post Hickman state already. We're going to stay in Krakoa and it will be SIMILAR to San Fran to Utopia, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the majority of books relaunched in some way.

That’s not different than what I said lol…we might quibble over how many books will be relaunched but it doesn’t seem like some type of Post-Morrison/Morrison situation like Flap is postulating where the line effectively relaunches like after Bendis or something.

Losing some ideas or some ideas changing would’ve happened with Hickman around anyway (he did that himself during his FF and Avengers’ run), so that’s not wild to speculate.

Back to the book, I wonder if Maddie’s resurrection will be a result of actions in New Mutants???
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Post by tokenBG1009 » 15 Sep 2021, 15:09

I can only assume so. The fact New Mutants SPECIFICALLY called out Maddie made it seem obvious she would be returning soon.
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Post by norwichchris » 15 Sep 2021, 15:22

This is devastating news.... :cry: :cry: :cry:

X-Force would be a better choice..

If they do end up in the hole maybe the reason is that they somehow resurrect Maddelyn and something really bad happens leading to there punishment.

It all has something to do with Orphan Maker?

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Post by Milkshake08 » 15 Sep 2021, 17:09

Really sad to see this end, easily one of my favorite books each month. Hopefully it relaunches with an adjusted cast or something. Honestly I wish that they'd fold this into the X-Force team or something with Wells as the writer. It sucks that the best titles like this and X-Factor haven't been stellar sellers. Still, I see a lot of fans now loving Kwannon/Psylocke and Nanny, so I feel like it's generated interest.

I hope Maddie comes back for good. I am tired of her being a villain they bring back for a story and then shunt away, especially since those stories have only focused on her hatred of Scott. My GOD, we get it, she's a spurned ex-wife. She was so much more than that for a long time, and I'd like to see a way back to THAT Maddie.

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Post by EphemeristX » 15 Sep 2021, 17:50

Maddie ran around for years giving no shits about Scott or Jean (although she was shagging Nate, which -- who the hell thought that was a good idea?). Agreed that she's so much more than the ex. Since there are currently no active Rooks in Hellfire, I can see her possibly getting her old spot back.
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Blackcyclops wrote:
14 Sep 2021, 21:24
What if it ends with the whole team in the pit…
Man, I would hate this. Scalphunter has worked so hard to actually be a good dude, and I feel like Wild Child and Orphan Maker shouldn't necessarily be held responsible for their actions for the most part. Kyle is so overwhelmed by his powers that he's basically an animal, and Peter is a child for all intents and purposes.

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Post by Blackcyclops » 15 Sep 2021, 19:53

sambadaemon wrote:
15 Sep 2021, 19:30
Blackcyclops wrote:
14 Sep 2021, 21:24
What if it ends with the whole team in the pit…
Man, I would hate this. Scalphunter has worked so hard to actually be a good dude, and I feel like Wild Child and Orphan Maker shouldn't necessarily be held responsible for their actions for the most part. Kyle is so overwhelmed by his powers that he's basically an animal, and Peter is a child for all intents and purposes.
It would suck…but it would be heart wrenching and dark…
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Post by das_boot » 15 Sep 2021, 21:36

EphemeristX wrote:
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Maddie ran around for years giving no shits about Scott or Jean (although she was shagging Nate, which -- who the hell thought that was a good idea?). Agreed that she's so much more than the ex. Since there are currently no active Rooks in Hellfire, I can see her possibly getting her old spot back.
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Post by Cable » 15 Sep 2021, 22:16

Duggan says the book wasn't cancelled, it is ending how Wells wanted
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Post by Blackcyclops » 15 Sep 2021, 23:25

Cable wrote:
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Duggan says the book wasn't cancelled, it is ending how Wells wanted

Thats dope
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Post by WorldWideWade » 16 Sep 2021, 14:27

I will miss this book but I'm all for the story ending on a high note. Not sure what they would do with Maddie once resurrected, but joining Hellfire isn't a bad option. Psylocke and Havok going to a different title seems likely but I think the rest of the cast may fall by the wayside unfortunately. I see Sinister becoming a big part of the overall X-men story soon so I'm sure we'll see him around.

I think many of the Dawn of X books can reach a natural end point by the end of the year and that a reshuffle of the line is imminent. I predict X-Force relaunching (PLEASE), an X-Factor like book launching (PRETTY PLEASE), Marauders relaunched under a new name (Hellfire maybe), and possibly an Excalibur relaunch. I could see SWORD and especially X-men being untouched by any reshuffle.
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Post by EphemeristX » 16 Sep 2021, 14:42

The ones I see most likely to fade into the background are Wild Child and Empath. Someone is definitely going to use Scalphunter, and Nanny and Orphan-Maker have been such stand-outs that I can't imagine nobody would want to pick up that thread.
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