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Re: Monolith's Power Descriptions

Post by LimboMaster » 27 Aug 2019, 17:58

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LimboMaster,

I've got a lot of "Well, actually..." coming up here but, yes, you're correct that Marvel very rarely depicts Havok's power as heat-based in any way. Now, on to the technicalities...!

Havok's power is not actually plasma generation, but rather exotic energy that induces sudden state-shifts in matter. In other words, those rings he generates are not plasma energy, they are energy that creates plasma out of existing matter. Havok doesn't fire plasma at targets, he fires a beam that feeds energy into matter until the phase transition causes it to change into plasma. It's the difference between Boomer who throws explosives at a target and Gambit who can make the target itself explode. A technicality, but occasionally a relevant one.

"Heat" is the result of matter having energy in its molecules. The more energy making the molecules move around, the harder it is for those molecules to retain a set configuration. Solids break down into flowing liquids, liquids disperse into volumes of gas, and gas goes even crazier when it is ionized into plasma. So Havok's plasma bolts (or plasma-inducing bolts, see above) infuse solid matter with so much energy that a sudden state-shift happens faster than the object can burn or melt. Burning and melting are specific chemical reactions that occur in specific matter state changes, ones which are completely skipped over in the transition from solid to plasma. The suddenly pent up energy between the molecules of the object push away from each other, causing the explosive or disintegrating reactions seen with Havok's classic power use.

Back in the day, Havok was very much concerned with the idea that his power blast was useless against living opponents except as a lethal attack. He frequently lamented about this during the Australian era, and had to use his power to kill the human Broodlings during #232-234. Circa X-Tinction Agenda and the All-New, All-Different X-Factor, however, Havok gained enough control over his power to use it indirectly. Nowadays, he frequently uses his plasma-induction beam to target the air around his opponent instead of his opponent themselves. State-shifting gas into plasma causes sudden pressure and expansion of the gas surrounding it, forcing the remaining oxygen away from his plasma like a miniature air-quake, or sonic boom. As a result, the intended indirect effect of his power is a heatless concussive shockwave, still potent but inherently less lethal than a direct plasma-induction bolt. Thunderbird III created a similar effect during his run in XXM. A narrative cheat? You betcha, but that's how Alex rolls.
How interesting. Thanks so much Mono. This has always bothered me but now I see that this wasn't lazy writing but exceptionally clever and creative basis for his powers that most writers actually did a really nice job respecting. You da bomb Mono.

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Re: Monolith's Power Descriptions

Post by RingOtaku » 27 Aug 2019, 20:13

The opening issues of X-Tinction Agenda when the Magistrates showed up at the Mansion to abduct folks, amnesiac Havok used his powers to melt and fuse the hatch to the underneath bunker preventing half the good guys from getting to the battle. One example I know of where Havoks powers had a heat effect.
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Re: Monolith's Power Descriptions

Post by tokenBG1009 » 28 Aug 2019, 09:03

a heatless concussive shockwave
Isn't that technically Scott's power? Except for a beam instead of a shockwave?

Also, that doesn't really explain how he flew in Austen's run, does it?
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Re: Monolith's Power Descriptions

Post by Monolith » 30 Aug 2019, 15:24

If you set off a grenade under your feet, as long as you're "immune to grenades", you'll probably "fly" a little bit. So...yeah.

The shockwave effect is almost more like Storm's power than Cyclops's. It's the difference between an energy beam of force and being struck by matter (even gas) moving at high speed and pressure.
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Re: Monolith's Power Descriptions

Post by tokenBG1009 » 31 Aug 2019, 06:04

Monolith wrote:
30 Aug 2019, 15:24
If you set off a grenade under your feet, as long as you're "immune to grenades", you'll probably "fly" a little bit. So...yeah.

The shockwave effect is almost more like Storm's power than Cyclops's. It's the difference between an energy beam of force and being struck by matter (even gas) moving at high speed and pressure.
So Alex could probably launch himself, but no controlled flight. One would question landing though.

And your example makes more sense. I think I just focused on the "heatless concussive" part instead of the shockwave. Scott punches, but Alex...explodes? I lost my analogy.
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Re: Monolith's Power Descriptions

Post by Monet » 31 Aug 2019, 21:12

Hi, Monolith (and others), I have three quick panel of questions - I didn't know if I should have made a new topic or just post them here as unusual so I just posted them here hoping you'd see them more easily.

Question panel #1: Shakti Haddid (Cerebra) generates a psionic energy signature is a deep steel blue hue when heavily using her powers (as seen here: https://uncannyxmen.net/sites/default/f ... ra-04a.jpg & https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploa ... erebra.jpg) similar to that of Betsy Braddock (Psylocke). Do you know that the shape is called? What it is in the shape of? Is it a diadem?

Question panel #2: Can Colossus be manipulated by metal manipulators (i.e. Magneto and Polaris) or is it because the metal he transforms into more of a bio-organic metal that he can't be controlled? Colossus considered to be a transmorph like Emma Frost and Dust (Sooraya Qadir) as he morphs into an element (metal)? What is the reason for segmented ridges/indents on Colossus when he goes into armor mode? As in the 616 Universe he's metal ridges in the metal skin and in the 1610 Universe he's smooth metal when in armor mode.

Question panel #3: Has there ever been a reason stated as why Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch powers turned out to be the way they are - one physical, the other mental (energy). I know Wanda was effected by the the Elder God, Chthon while Pietro was effected by the Isotope E, the radioactive evolutionary aid created by the High Evolutionary which only enhanced his powers. Quoting you
Wanda Maximoff would've been born an energy manipulating mutant like her father if it weren't for the intervention of the Elder God, Chthon. Born atop Wundagore Mountain, the eternal prison of the Elder God, Wanda was infused with his energy, and she developed her mutation as a hex power.
But beside all of what, why didn't Pietro turn out like a energy manipulator like the rest (removing the fact of family tree removal in the past couple of years and sticking to Lensherr/Maximoff/Dane family line). Can you think of a reason if its not been stated?
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Re: Monolith's Power Descriptions

Post by Dr House » 02 Sep 2019, 00:40

1.) Those mini-Nightcrawlers, The BAMFs. Is there a PD on them or are do they just basically have the same abilities as 616 Kurt Wagner?

2.) I know that all mutants have mutagenic auras as invisible energy signatures produced as a by-product of their x-genes and that this energy signature is unique to each mutant and is what Cerebro scans for when searching for mutants. But with Larry Trask, did his medallion operate by inhibiting his mutagenic aura? Not only preventing his powers from being used, but also made him undetectable to Cerebro and mutant scanners?
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Re: Monolith's Power Descriptions

Post by Monolith » 02 Sep 2019, 00:53

@Monet:

1) I'm not sure what you mean. Are you asking if that particular shape has a name? If so, I don't know. It's surely just intended as a visual representation of her powers.

2) Yes, Colossus's metal skin is magnetic. A transmorph is someone with dual forms (Bloodhawk 2099 is a transmorph), so yes Colossus can be described as a transmorph. There's no particular reason for the paneling in his skin. It's virtually cosmetic only.

3) Per the most recent explanation of Wanda and Pietro's powers, Pietro is a speedster because the High Evolutionary intended it that way. He deliberately engineered their powers through his experiments. To correct you, however, Isotope E has nothing to do with Pietro's powers. Quicksilver was exposed to that substance late in life and it enhanced his abilities, but it has nothing to do with his origins.

@Doctor House:

1) Basically, yes. Bamfs are supernatural, though, and so can teleport over much greater distances without knowing specifically where they're going because, y'know...magic.

2) It would have to, otherwise the Sentinels would never have acknowledged him otherwise.
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Re: Monolith's Power Descriptions

Post by Dr House » 02 Sep 2019, 02:01

But what accounts for their creation? Kitty thought they were part of a bedtime story that she made up for Illyana and turns out there’s another dimension which is exactly that?
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Re: Monolith's Power Descriptions

Post by Monolith » 02 Sep 2019, 02:18

Those Bamfs, yes. However the modern Bamfs have a completely different origin.

Azazel found some demon larvae in one of the realms of Hell and fed them his blood, transmogrifying them into Red Bamfs that resembled him. When Nightcrawler abandoned Heaven to fight his father, he imbued some of the Red Bamfs with his own essence, purifying them into the traditional blue Bamfs. These are the Bamfs seen in Wolverine and the X-Men onwards.
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Re: Monolith's Power Descriptions

Post by Monet » 03 Sep 2019, 03:59

@ Monolith

1) Sorry about that. Yes, I meant the shape of it.

2) Does Colossus have a healing factor/regeneration powers inside his metal form (similar to Magma and Husk) if he's damage even as high as his durability is? Or does he have to heal normally before returning to his human form?
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Post by Monolith » 03 Sep 2019, 13:49

Colossus typically relies upon his incredible durability rather than any form of healing factor. Most occasions I can think of when he was notably injured in armored form required outside support or assistance to recover.

- A broken arm during Second Coming was reset using a hydraulic press.

- He was heavily injured fighting the Marauders in the Mutant Massacre. His body was invisibly leaking energy from various wounds, which required Magneto to magnetically seal.

- The X-Cutioner's saber caved in the side of his head. Piotr remained in his armored form for several weeks to avoid potentially fatal consequences upon reverting to human form. The damage was externally repaired in Excalibur #71.
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Re: Monolith's Power Descriptions

Post by P-90 » 03 Sep 2019, 18:53

Hello Mono

Could I get a PD on Go-Devil and Miguela Tores?
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Post by EphemeristX » 03 Sep 2019, 19:46

Also, when Pete Wisdom used his hot knives on Piotr, they had to use lasers to melt and repair his spine.
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Re: Monolith's Power Descriptions

Post by Monet » 05 Sep 2019, 00:41

@ Monolith

1) Thanks for that. I also remember seeing Colossus with a broken arm but I couldn't remember if it was broken out of his armored state or in his skin and bones.

2) Did you ever figure out what the shape of Shakti/Cerebra's psionic energy signature was in?
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Re: Monolith's Power Descriptions

Post by InsipidLust » 05 Sep 2019, 05:48

Monet wrote:
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@ Monolith

1) Thanks for that. I also remember seeing Colossus with a broken arm but I couldn't remember if it was broken out of his armored state or in his skin and bones.

2) Did you ever figure out what the shape of Shakti/Cerebra's psionic energy signature was in?
I don't think there's a specific name for Shakti's construct but, yes, it does resemble a diadem.
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Re: Monolith's Power Descriptions

Post by Monolith » 05 Sep 2019, 13:55

@Monet: I read a lot of comics, but I don't have any specialized knowledge when it comes to geometric shapes. You'll need to research that yourself if you're interested.

@P-90: Tores had the ability to generate a psychic blast from her mind. The blast could damage physical matter, even to the point of total disintegration when she pushed her limits.

Go-Devil was a psycho-savant with the power to actualize the potential energy of his molecules, according to Psi-Lord's assessment. In practice, he could energize his physical form, producing a burning glow that resembled electricity. He could fly at great speeds and release his power outwards as blasts or a radial discharge.
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Post by P-90 » 05 Sep 2019, 15:31

I read that Tores 'absorbed ambient psychic energy' to power her blasts, was this ever actually shown? if so did it have any effect on people and was she shown to have some resistance to telepathic attack?
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Post by Monolith » 05 Sep 2019, 17:21

No, that's something I made up 20 years ago in high school in order to sound smart on the internet, and got it posted on a few sites. I wised up and matured, but it had been copied to so many different websites, it'll never completely disappear.

I am being completely serious.
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Post by RingOtaku » 05 Sep 2019, 17:35

Monolith wrote:
05 Sep 2019, 17:21
No, that's something I made up 20 years ago in high school in order to sound smart on the internet, and got it posted on a few sites. I wised up and matured, but it had been copied to so many different websites, it'll never completely disappear.

I am being completely serious.
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Re: Monolith's Power Descriptions

Post by Monolith » 05 Sep 2019, 17:53

^ Basically that.
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Post by P-90 » 05 Sep 2019, 19:39

Really? wow!

Thanks anyway.
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Re: Monolith's Power Descriptions

Post by Monet » 11 Sep 2019, 03:38

Could I get a PD on the team First Line (mainly: Rapunzel, Eternal Brain & Walkabout, Firefall, Frank (Frankenstein Monster), Katyusha, Liberty Girl (Beverly), Kid Justice/Mr. Justice, Morph (First Line), Nightingale, Oxbow, Positron, Rebound, Reflex, Riot Act, Vulcan (First Line), & Yeti) as well as allies Truth MacRae (Gadfly), Fred MacRae (Captain Hip), and Autumn MacRae (Sunshine).
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Post by P-90 » 11 Sep 2019, 12:23

Could I get a PD on Alistaire Stuart, I know his body is 'malleable' but how so? how has it been used in the past and does he have any control over it?
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Post by Monolith » 11 Sep 2019, 12:49

@Monet: There's really nothing of value to say about most of the First Line characters. They were one-note characters, many of whom appeared in a single issue, who either used their powers once or had obvious physical traits. Positron shoots blasts, Rebound bounces, Firefall has fire, etc. I literally cannot tell you more than that because there is nothing more to say. These Power Descriptions that I write work best when dealing with characters who has multiple appearances over time, who might need explanation for how various applications of their powers over years work together and make sense. One off characters with no origin who appeared in one story just don't do justice to this format.

@P-90: I think the "malleable curse" of Alistair Stuart was a retcon fix, explaining why he looked so old and different in the Wisdom limited series versus normally. So, because of the curse, he apparently changes physical appearance sometimes. Once it was actually mentioned in MI-13, it seems like some forms of magic did not work against him because his curse had "priority". He could sense the presence of certain forms of enchantment as their "effects" started brushing up against the effect of his curse. Beyond that, though, no further use or explanation of his curse was made.
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