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Re: Black Widow

Post by Magnus » 04 Dec 2019, 02:15

Big yawn from me. Definitely think this movie is coming years too late. I really hope this isn't 'The' Budapest noodle incident. Revealing what those are rarely pays off (and is the reason the trope namer even happened).

The Taskmasker outfit looks horribly lame.

I think I'm interested in fat bearded David Harbour and that's about it. Probably end up skipping seeing this one in theatres.

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Re: Black Widow

Post by EvilMonkeyPope » 06 Dec 2019, 23:18

I LOVE classic Hawkeye suit. MCU dude is bland.
Yelena is giving me Villainelle vibes.
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Re: Black Widow

Post by EphemeristX » 14 Jan 2020, 13:07

New special look is out. This one is heavy on the action.

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Re: Black Widow

Post by Anna Raven » 14 Jan 2020, 14:16

I hope they don't strip Taskmaster of his personality. He's looking like kind of a bland "perfect soldier" type right now.
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Re: Black Widow

Post by Gremlin » 14 Jan 2020, 22:36

I'm calling it now that the Taskmaster is someone like Rachel Weisz's character. There is no actor attached to the Taskmaster role from what I can see and the body armor and hood could throw off the real gender of the character.
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Re: Black Widow

Post by Cable » 09 Mar 2020, 15:07

Final trailer to get you hyped
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Re: Black Widow

Post by EphemeristX » 09 Mar 2020, 15:42

I am loving the banter and I appreciate the focus on Taskmaster so that the uninitiated get an idea of what he's all about.
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Re: Black Widow

Post by _Rick_ » 09 Mar 2020, 17:45

The taskmaster's description is a good touch considering that a lot of people seemed to be confused by him. It seems like the movie could be fun but it doesn't scream "must see" for me which could be a problem but hopefully not. Didn't like the soundtrack though.

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Re: Black Widow

Post by sambadaemon » 09 Mar 2020, 19:03

So are they actually a real family? I just assumed she called Yelena "sister" in the other trailers because she was another graduate of the Red Room.

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Re: Black Widow

Post by Anna Raven » 09 Mar 2020, 20:45

sambadaemon wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 19:03
So are they actually a real family? I just assumed she called Yelena "sister" in the other trailers because she was another graduate of the Red Room.
Me too, but they definitely seem closely knit. Perhaps they formed a family-unit after escaping the Red Room.
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Re: Black Widow

Post by Spectral Knight » 10 Mar 2020, 06:12

I'm not sure about this so far... part of the thrill of the MCU is that for all the twists we've seen on the genre, at their core they've still been "superhero" movies.

So far BW appears to be much more of a generic action movie vibe. Don't get me wrong, it does great as an action movie, but it seems to be missing the Marvel something. Red Guardian looks the most fun character in this. I do like them emphasising the Russian heritage of Widow a bit more though, as I felt that has been progressively sidelined since her debut in IM2.

Will definitely still be seeing it, but I'm not sure if it's with the same level of enthusiasm I've had for other solo hero flicks.

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Re: Black Widow

Post by Nu-D » 10 Mar 2020, 13:03

I’m excited for this, and frustrated that the release date is right when the baby is due. I feel like they should make a special dispensation for those of us who can’t reasonably make it to the theater and let us stream it at home right away.
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Re: Black Widow

Post by Blackcyclops » 10 Mar 2020, 13:43

I’m with NuD here, I like legit am excited.

It had lowered stakes, which we need after Endgame but it seems to have still some emotional weight.

I also don’t and won’t mind a straight up action film. I was raised on action films of the late 80s and early 90s and I think most action films that are straight up action films today tend to kind of suck (Atomic Blonde and the MI-Franchise are the exceptions), so to get a good one with characters I have an attachment to is really cool.
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Re: Black Widow

Post by sambadaemon » 10 Mar 2020, 14:08

Anna Raven wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 20:45
sambadaemon wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 19:03
So are they actually a real family? I just assumed she called Yelena "sister" in the other trailers because she was another graduate of the Red Room.
Me too, but they definitely seem closely knit. Perhaps they formed a family-unit after escaping the Red Room.
I just remembered she told Hawkeye in Endgame that she didn't know who her father was when Red Skull called her "Natasha, daughter of Ivan", so I guess they just consider themselves family instead of actually being blood related.

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Re: Black Widow

Post by Anna Raven » 10 Mar 2020, 14:37

sambadaemon wrote:
10 Mar 2020, 14:08
Anna Raven wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 20:45
sambadaemon wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 19:03
So are they actually a real family? I just assumed she called Yelena "sister" in the other trailers because she was another graduate of the Red Room.
Me too, but they definitely seem closely knit. Perhaps they formed a family-unit after escaping the Red Room.
I just remembered she told Hawkeye in Endgame that she didn't know who her father was when Red Skull called her "Natasha, daughter of Ivan", so I guess they just consider themselves family instead of actually being blood related.
Yup, that's my thinking too.
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Re: Black Widow

Post by Nu-D » 10 Mar 2020, 14:45

Anna Raven wrote:
10 Mar 2020, 14:37
sambadaemon wrote:
10 Mar 2020, 14:08
Anna Raven wrote:
09 Mar 2020, 20:45


Me too, but they definitely seem closely knit. Perhaps they formed a family-unit after escaping the Red Room.
I just remembered she told Hawkeye in Endgame that she didn't know who her father was when Red Skull called her "Natasha, daughter of Ivan", so I guess they just consider themselves family instead of actually being blood related.
Yup, that's my thinking too.
Speculation: on their last mission as a team their cover was as a family.

Though how anyone could mistake Rachel Weitz for Scarlett Johansson’s mother, I don’t know. Step-mom, maybe.
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Re: Black Widow

Post by Blackcyclops » 10 Mar 2020, 15:40

Movie logic, NuD...movie logic
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Re: Black Widow

Post by Blackcyclops » 10 Mar 2020, 15:42

Just looked it up Rachel Weisz is frigging 50(!!!) and Scarlet Jo is 35 (2 years younger than me...now I feel old)....so I mean they could be real mother and child, technically.
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Re: Black Widow

Post by Nu-D » 10 Mar 2020, 15:43

Blackcyclops wrote:
10 Mar 2020, 15:42
Just looked it up Rachel Weisz is frigging 50(!!!) and Scarlet Jo is 35 (2 years younger than me...now I feel old)....so I mean they could be real mother and child, technically.
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Re: Black Widow

Post by _Rick_ » 10 Mar 2020, 15:49

If you travel to Russia, and observe their society, one of the first things you notice is that Russians tend to marry and have children quite young. Early twenties mothers are quite common (perhaps even the norm back when Widow was born). Weitz obviously is a bit young even by those standards but maybe she'd dress up in a way that would make her look a few years older. Also, considering they are using Red Guardian, it's possible that they're going with the Black Widow program having some sort of enhancements like Cap. Slow ageing might be one of the benefits.

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Re: Black Widow

Post by Nu-D » 10 Mar 2020, 15:52

_Rick_ wrote:
10 Mar 2020, 15:49
... it's possible that they're going with the Black Widow program having some sort of enhancements like Cap. Slow ageing might be one of the benefits.
Sure, but if their cover story is family, and Weitz is supposed to be the mom, she’d have to age up a bit to sell it.
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Re: Black Widow

Post by _Rick_ » 10 Mar 2020, 16:23

Nu-D wrote:
10 Mar 2020, 15:52
_Rick_ wrote:
10 Mar 2020, 15:49
... it's possible that they're going with the Black Widow program having some sort of enhancements like Cap. Slow ageing might be one of the benefits.
Sure, but if their cover story is family, and Weitz is supposed to be the mom, she’d have to age up a bit to sell it.
Is that their cover story now or was it back then, before Black Widow defected and started working with Fury? 15 years ago they might have looked age appropriate. It depends on how the slow ageing works and when the procedure was done.

Still, even if they didn't have slow ageing, it's not that unbelievable. A 35 year old Weitz could pass for the mother of a 20 year old Scarlet with the proper clothing and make up. Especially in Russia. All they would need is to make one look a couple years older and another a couple years younger and they'd be pretty normal. Average age of first child for women in 1980's Russian Federation was 23. That's AVERAGE. A significant amount would be younger (particularly depending on the area of origin). Also keep in mind that women can somewhat easily adjust their age a bit (within reason of course) with makeup. Case in point, you're focusing on Weitz and not on David Harbour. He would be the bigger issue since he's only 9 years older than Scarlet.

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Re: Black Widow

Post by Anna Raven » 10 Mar 2020, 16:55

I think the bigger sell would be that Weisz and David Harbour (the version from the trailer anyhow) would be married.
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Re: Black Widow

Post by Blackcyclops » 10 Mar 2020, 17:35

Anna Raven wrote:
10 Mar 2020, 16:55
I think the bigger sell would be that Weisz and David Harbour (the version from the trailer anyhow) would be married.
I didn’t want to point that out...lol
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Re: Black Widow

Post by sambadaemon » 10 Mar 2020, 20:16

Blackcyclops wrote:
10 Mar 2020, 17:35
Anna Raven wrote:
10 Mar 2020, 16:55
I think the bigger sell would be that Weisz and David Harbour (the version from the trailer anyhow) would be married.
I didn’t want to point that out...lol
Maybe he's really charming!

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