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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Spectral Knight » 08 Nov 2018, 16:08

Das, not withstanding that many of the earlier Doctors have used guns in the past, my point was why introduce Chekhov's Gun (a very appropriate name in this instance!), if the outcome is a stilted piece of dialogue. Better storytelling would be to avoid the use / presence of firearms (as like you said, we're generally a friendly bunch without the need for loads of guns to be around) in the story in the first-place.

It's the crap dialogue in this series about not liking guns that I have an issue with - not the Doctor not being a fan of firearms.

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Re: Doctor Who

Post by EvilMonkeyPope » 12 Nov 2018, 08:36

This was the best episode of the season so far because Chibnall didn’t write it! Kudos to Vinay Patel!
The bat-headed aliens were cute.
The music during the WWII flashbacks was spooky.

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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Spectral Knight » 12 Nov 2018, 11:14

Yeah, it was better than others. Point of note, so far the best villains this series have been the manifestations of hatred, and racist intolerance by humans in this and the Rosa Parks episode. Also, more tinkering with odd bits and bobs by the Doctor - which I like as a trait.

The alien threats this series either haven't really been threats after all, or just weak (despite impressive visuals on occasions). Are any of the classic villain aliens on the cards? Daleks? Cybermen? Sontarans? Zygons? Weeping Angels?

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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Blackcyclops » 12 Nov 2018, 13:51

Nope...creators specifically said not this season.
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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Blackcyclops » 12 Nov 2018, 13:51

Which to be honest, the one race who need a breather are Weeping angels. They went from the stuff of nightmares under Davis to kinda corny under Moffat.
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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Spectral Knight » 12 Nov 2018, 14:21

Blackcyclops wrote:
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Nope...creators specifically said not this season.
Really? Do you have a source - I'd assume they state the why they're given them the miss, which I'd be interested in having a gander at.
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Which to be honest, the one race who need a breather are Weeping angels. They went from the stuff of nightmares under Davis to kinda corny under Moffat.
Didn't Moffat create the Weeping Angels in the first place? I thought Blink was one of his. I don't think any of the Angel-centric stories were corny (Angels Take Manhattan was fantastic as a closer for Amy and Rory) - but the cameo appearances of them haven't been as good.

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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Blackcyclops » 12 Nov 2018, 14:24

I saw a quote from him on CBR, it was a direct quote so I took it as a fact.

You’re right he was their creator.

The overall episode was great but they no longer, as a threat had that same bang. They’re kinda like the Brood of Doctor Who. Originally, terrifying...now it’s like “oh look, the Brood” lol
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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Spectral Knight » 12 Nov 2018, 14:34

Okay, I've just done a bit of hunting, and whilst the Daleks are ruled out, none of the other established enemy races have been ruled out (as far as I can tell).

Haha - nice comparison. I think it might be because Blink was such well-crafted single episode, it's hard to live up to their debut, but I still have that '"Holy...f..." moment when they appear, just because you know shit's going down when they are the main villains.

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Re: Doctor Who

Post by EvilMonkeyPope » 11 Jan 2019, 23:40

It turns out I didn't like this season. I kept putting it off because writing it was a bummer. A comprehensive essay of how Doctor Who squandered fantastic opportunities is no fun.
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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Nu-D » 26 Feb 2019, 01:29

I’m assuming the 20% viewer rating on rotten tomatos is because of a coordinated campaign of jagoffs, right?

So what’s the verdict? I saw episode 1, but I’m waiting for the rest to show up on Prime. Does the season hold up? I was pretty bored by Capaldi’s doctor, so I’m hoping this feels more energetic and fresh.
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Re: Doctor Who

Post by EvilMonkeyPope » 26 Feb 2019, 04:58

It wasn't my cup of tea. It didn't feel fresh or energetic. (More thorough explanation available at the link above.)

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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Spectral Knight » 26 Feb 2019, 09:07

It was...okay. I prefer Capaldi's Doctor by a country mile, so it might appeal to you.

There were good stories around discrimination and racial intolerance, though the more conventional alien threat episodes were crap. Also, probably one too many assistants in the Doctor's 'fam' - Yas' only highlights were the episode looking at her family history, and even then she was bland.. .

Far, far too many mentions of how the Doctor hates guns, as alluded to earlier in this thread.

Worth watching, but don't expect it to be brilliant, as it isn't. It's not as bad the 20% rating would imply, but a judgement somewhere between 40% and 60% would be hard to argue with.

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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Magik84 » 26 Feb 2019, 12:46

I think it's like most seasons of Doctor Who, a mixed bag. There some episodes I really liked others were a bit meh. I did find it a bit fresher, I liked the "family" companions rather than young potential love interest who might drag along her boyfriend. Capaldi's last season with Pearl Mackie I did quite enjoy, but again there were some episodes that dragged. I like Jodie Whitaker and look forward to see how she settles in next season.
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Re: Doctor Who

Post by MartijnB » 02 Jan 2020, 10:20

so, that happened...

massive leap up from last season, and errr... yeah... that ending...

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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Spectral Knight » 03 Jan 2020, 10:29

Much better opener than last season. The motorcycle chase was a little 'silly' for my tastes, but other than that a stronger start. Yas finally felt like she offered a bit more to the team, and Graham is still my current favourite of the current companions. Less repetitive exposition and none of that 'I hate guns' shtick worked for me.

Lenny Henry's a great dramatic actor, wish he was showcased in more things for his dramatic rather than comedic talents - though of course, he's still very, very funny.

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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Gibbering Fool » 18 Jan 2020, 01:05

I quite enjoyed the first part with the spy vibe. The second part felt like they tried to cram too much in. I felt like the the time travelling storyline with Ada Lovelace and Noor could have been it's own episode. I would've liked to have seen more of Ada and Noor, honestly I found them more interesting than Vas, Graham and Ryan. Honestly, after the break from the last season I couldn't remember any of their names.

The new Master is pretty cool and I like they've picked up the Timeless Child mystery. That felt like a dropped thread from last season.

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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Gibbering Fool » 19 Jan 2020, 01:01

I just watched Orphan 55. A return to the classic Doctor Who trope of the Doctor and her friends trapped with a bunch of randoms who get killed off one by one.

I really feel the message of the episode, that we're destroying the planet unless we change our ways, was so heavy handed I couldn't help but roll my eyes (even though it's some thing I agree with). It was the same last week with the message about the evils of social media last week. Subtlety does not seem to be this showrunners strong point

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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Gibbering Fool » 27 Jan 2020, 00:12

Fugitive of the Jadoon - I'm hyperventilating! What I thought was going to be a throwaway episode ended up having massive ramifications for the entire series. That was one massive retcon, on the scale of the War Doctor.
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Another previously unknown iteration of the Doctor was revealed, and she was a black woman. Though the current Doctor
doesn't remember this life. There's still some ambiguity but it was laid out fairly confidently this is a past version. I'm sure there will be parts of the internet that will hate this reveal.

Presumably Gallifrey has the Judoon hunting her because she stole the Tardis, but there could be more to it tying into the Timeless Child mystery
Also...
Spoiler: show
Captain Jack is Back!
I thought this was a great episode

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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Blackcyclops » 27 Jan 2020, 01:17

Gibbering Fool wrote:
19 Jan 2020, 01:01
I just watched Orphan 55. A return to the classic Doctor Who trope of the Doctor and her friends trapped with a bunch of randoms who get killed off one by one.

I really feel the message of the episode, that we're destroying the planet unless we change our ways, was so heavy handed I couldn't help but roll my eyes (even though it's some thing I agree with). It was the same last week with the message about the evils of social media last week. Subtlety does not seem to be this showrunners strong point

The social media one was at least couched in some fun spy stuff and I liked the aliens...this one was just wayyyyy too much. And it was a shame because I liked the beginning of the episode.
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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Gibbering Fool » 27 Jan 2020, 05:24

Blackcyclops wrote:
27 Jan 2020, 01:17
Gibbering Fool wrote:
19 Jan 2020, 01:01
I just watched Orphan 55. A return to the classic Doctor Who trope of the Doctor and her friends trapped with a bunch of randoms who get killed off one by one.

I really feel the message of the episode, that we're destroying the planet unless we change our ways, was so heavy handed I couldn't help but roll my eyes (even though it's some thing I agree with). It was the same last week with the message about the evils of social media last week. Subtlety does not seem to be this showrunners strong point

The social media one was at least couched in some fun spy stuff and I liked the aliens...this one was just wayyyyy too much. And it was a shame because I liked the beginning of the episode.
I'm pretty sure at the end the Doctor even looked at the camera during her big speech about how we need to change our ways. *cringe*

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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Spectral Knight » 30 Jan 2020, 13:04

Just watched episode 4.... my God the personifications of Tesla and Edison were appalling. Was Tesla a genius? To an extent, but he was also a fantasist in latter live who continuously chucked his own money away and ducked his living bills. Did Edison work his staff hard? Yes, but he also had a brilliant mind in his own right rather than being just a predatory ideas thief.

This was right shoddy - there's enough known about both these people for it not to be so contrived. I can't help but feel after the Trump-isms of last year, there's a distinctly pro-European vs anti-American vibe to these two caricatures.

Also, I get that the Doctor is meant to be smart, and her companions are meant to be the voice of the viewer, but they are really, really thick, which turns everything the Doctor does into a massive exposition, whilst everyone else stands around wide eyed and slack-jawed. Doctor Who has been guilty of this in the past (Rose wasn't the smartest knife in the box, and Amy started off as a bit dense) but collectively, these three are starting to grate on how daft they are.

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Re: Doctor Who

Post by das_boot » 30 Jan 2020, 18:47

Spectral, I totally agree. That there’s three comparisons somehow makes everything kind of worse because there’s episodes where The Doctor explains things twice or more for the sake of catching all three of them up on what’s going on. Other than Graham, I actually really struggle to remember their names, and certainly feel like the female companion should be far more useful than she is.
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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Blackcyclops » 30 Jan 2020, 20:18

I like Graham...

Yes, the law enforcement officer should be more useful.

That said, I wasn’t a huge fan of the Tesla/Edison episode but it wasn’t terrible. I did like the latest episode though...like alot. But I love Jadoon.
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Re: Doctor Who

Post by Spectral Knight » 31 Jan 2020, 09:22

I wouldn't even mind if the stupidity was played for laughs...or there was a clear ranking in terms of understanding/comprehension. I was watching Red Dwarf last night, Kryten explained something technical, no-one got it, so Kryten re-explained it a bit more simply but only Lister got it who's generally a bit thick but worldly, so he simplified it down, which Rimmer then got the jist of it, who then proceeded to explain it even more simply to Cat. Who of course, still didn't get it! :lol:

With the 13th Doctor, it's more like this...

The Doctor: *explains something that's actually fairly straightforward*
Ryan: "Huh?"
Yas: ...*puzzled look*
Graham: "What are you saying, Doc?"
The Doctor: *explains EXACTLY why she just said*
Ryan / Yas / Graham: "Oh do, you mean...*repeats what the Doctor has said for the second time, just in case anyone at home wasn't following along*...?"
The Doctor: Yes, it's... *repeats AGAIN what she's just said*.

It's so damn tedious. I'm pretty sure the episodes so far could be cut to 40-45 minutes if they'd just didn't take their audience for complete idiots. Can you imagine this lot on board for the Pandorica stuff and the more time-bendy stuff of Matt Smith's era - we'd be into three hours of repetitive exposition.

I should say I do actually like Graham (well, Bradley Walsh is just brilliant generally), and I like his relationship with Ryan, it's just the dialogue between them and the Doctor that is often infuriating.

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Re: Doctor Who

Post by das_boot » 02 Feb 2020, 00:57

And the fact that Ryan is NOT a good actor. I kind of feel like we’re going to see at least one of the companions depart at the end of this season, which... I’ll be okay as long as it’s Ryan. But i feel like if he goes, so will Graham. GAH. On paper this should be about four people becoming a dysfunctional family of choice. That should be the core of their emotional journey outside of the adventures and peril. But it just... I dunno. It doesn’t quite gel, which is a shame, because I really like this iteration of the Doctor. There’s certainly more of a vibe of Whittaker’s Doctor having to put on a “game face” when she does her lunatic time lord/lady stuff, and sinking into a deep depression afterwards... but I’d also like to see some more light-hearted episodes.
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