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Jessica Jones, s.3

Post by Nu-D » 10 Jun 2019, 01:56

I guess the trailer’s out. Anyone excited?

I was pretty indifferent to the second season, but I’ll watch this because the first season was so good. My hunch is nobody’s going to give this much attention because the Nextflix MU is a lame duck at this point.
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Post by EphemeristX » 10 Jun 2019, 19:47

I gotta see this through to the end. I'll definitely be watching.
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Post by tokenBG1009 » 11 Jun 2019, 03:25

It's been out for 4 days? Jesus, I honestly didn't know S3 had been announced at all.

Foolkiller? Really?
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Post by Nu-D » 11 Jun 2019, 17:04

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It's been out for 4 days? Jesus, I honestly didn't know S3 had been announced at all.

Foolkiller? Really?
Who did you expect? Galactus? Modok? Paste Pot Pete?
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Post by Blackcyclops » 11 Jun 2019, 18:53

I’d love to see Trapster!
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Post by EvilMonkeyPope » 11 Jun 2019, 23:09

This season looks even duller now that the notion of Double J vs. Triple P has been planted in my noggin.
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Re: Jessica Jones, s.3

Post by tokenBG1009 » 12 Jun 2019, 07:39

Nu-D wrote:
11 Jun 2019, 17:04
tokenBG1009 wrote:
11 Jun 2019, 03:25
It's been out for 4 days? Jesus, I honestly didn't know S3 had been announced at all.

Foolkiller? Really?
Who did you expect? Galactus? Modok? Paste Pot Pete?
I mean... good point, but Foolkiller? I guess it comes down to Jessica Jones not really having a villain besides Purple Man.
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Post by EvilMonkeyPope » 13 Jun 2019, 23:39

Will it finally pay off Chekov's Stilt-Man?

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Post by tokenBG1009 » 14 Jun 2019, 06:26

I hope we get something where Trish leaves to join Hellstrom!
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Post by LimboMaster » 14 Jun 2019, 16:20

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I hope we get something where Trish leaves to join Hellstrom!
Do we know if they knew JJ was cancelled before they finished filming? That would allow for a lot of cool endings like that.

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Post by Nu-D » 15 Jun 2019, 01:04

I read they did some re-writes and re-shoots after they found out about the cancellation. Originally, the director had planned to leave the show, so she had it end with Jessica set up for a new story. Then they cancelled, so she made changes.
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Post by EphemeristX » 18 Jun 2019, 15:26

Well, I finished this season and I really enjoyed it. Also, MCU's first mutant? Sure seems that way.
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Post by EvilMonkeyPope » 18 Jun 2019, 22:31

This was very frustrating. While it could arguably be the fitting tragic end for Jessica Jones by itself, this feels extra depressing as the unofficial finale to the Netflix Marvel shows.
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Post by Nu-D » 24 Jul 2019, 23:05

Halfway through (had to re-watch s.2 first, so my wife could get up to speed).

So far it’s very good, but also really dark. I could use a break from Trish’s mom. She’s in it too much. I’m also hoping Hogarth’s story connects back somehow, because right now it’s really unclear why we’re following her.

Edit: just found out why Trish’s mom has been in so much of the season so far. Ouch.
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Post by Nu-D » 29 Jul 2019, 15:23

Damn, that was brutal. Of course, this show has been brutal since the beginning.

***SPOILERS BELOW***



I read that the director intended to leave it in a different place, but did rewrites and re-shoots when she learned this was the end for the Netflix world. I’m really curious to find out what was originally intended. I suspect that Trish’s arc had a different end in the original, with some kind of redemption leaving her usable for the next Showrunner. I think the arc that was published was (probably) better, because it shows the very ambiguous and complicated moral and spiritual nature of the vigilante superhero. It’s simply not clear how or why Jess and Trish ended up differently; but there is a line, and they wound up on oposite sides of it.

One of the best parts of JJ, was that the entire show, and particularly seasons 2 and 3, have been about women’s relationships with one another. My wife pointed out to me that there were no significant father-son relationships in this show at all; instead, it focused on three mother-daughter relationships. Trish-Dorothy, Jessica-mother, Jessica-Dorothy. And those relationships were nuanced and fraught in ways often not included.

It also focused on female friendships and sisterhood, without being centered on any kind of romance. As we know, many and perhaps most female friendships on the screen are preoccupied with the romantic lives of the characters. Here, Jess and Trish spend their time talking about ethics, about trauma, about how moral choices affect the soul, and also about the more practical ways to solve problems and accomplish goals. We found that really refreshing.

As always with these Netflix shows, there were some plot and character shenanigans that made no sense, but were necessary to drag the story out to thirteen episodes. In particular, the interlude where Jessica decides to destroy the evidence to save Trish was nonsense. In the Netflix world, the public (and law enforcement) accepts that vigilante superheroes may break the law, sometimes brutally, but that it can be justified if the victim is a bad guy. Jessica was considered a hero for killing Kilgrave and for killing her mother (the public and police thought Jessica killed her, and accepted that). With that in mind, why would the public or police care that Trish took down some bag guys? Foolkiller’s blackmail is an incoherent motive for Jess to save him.
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Post by EvilMonkeyPope » 30 Jul 2019, 07:15

Apparently it was just the coda that changed: https://sciencefiction.com/2019/06/27/m ... er-season/

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Post by Nu-D » 30 Jul 2019, 10:19

EvilMonkeyPope wrote:
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Apparently it was just the coda that changed: https://sciencefiction.com/2019/06/27/m ... er-season/
Interesting. Knowing this was Trish’s intended fate from the beginning makes me want to go back and watch s.1 again to look for clues.
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Post by tokenBG1009 » 30 Jul 2019, 10:58

Trish was definitely always hungry for power ever since the first season. Whether it was a feeling of helplessness, jealousy of her sister, or just wanting control of her life it doesn't really surprise me that this was something plotted out. I haven't gotten around to this season, but I've seen enough spoilers to know where Trish ended up.

S1: She gets addicted to the steroid Nuke was given and is constantly trying to be a hero.
S2: Kidnaps a guy and forces him to give her powers like Jess. (Reminds of Emil Blonksy/Abomination from TIH)
S3: Now that she has those powers is faced with what that means. Ends up not being able to adequately deal with it. (Probably off here as I haven't watched it)

Regardless, Trish's arc has pretty much always been about her trying to gain power.
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Post by Nu-D » 30 Jul 2019, 12:00

Sure. But was it always clear that when she got power she would abuse it ruthlessly? I suspect so, but I also suspect there were more clues than I realized the first time around.

I think knowing that she was Hellcat caused me to assume she’d end up a hero in the classical Marvel vein. I’m wondering what clues I overlooked.
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Post by tokenBG1009 » 30 Jul 2019, 23:30

Nu-D wrote:
30 Jul 2019, 12:00
Sure. But was it always clear that when she got power she would abuse it ruthlessly? I suspect so, but I also suspect there were more clues than I realized the first time around.

I think knowing that she was Hellcat caused me to assume she’d end up a hero in the classical Marvel vein. I’m wondering what clues I overlooked.
I want to say yes? I honestly don't completely remember anymore because it's been so long since I watched S1. I want to say I remember her being rather ruthless when she had any kind of enhanced abilities and I'd argue the methods she went through to get her powers had implications for what kind of person she was.

Definitely agree with the thought that we know she's Hellcat so I had assumed she'd turn into a hero, but looking back I can definitely see what led to the ending.
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Post by Spectral Knight » 16 Aug 2019, 02:16

I just finished S3 last night. For me, far, far stronger than S2. I thought this season was much tighter with less plot holes than previously. Also liked the non-drama of Jess absolutely destroying Trish after the stabbing... she could always beat her, she just didn't want to, but that was when she knew she'd lost her.

In isolation, it was fantastic. I think it's also a fantastic development that Jess killed Kilgrave and understands how that almost broke her. Contrast that with Frank in the Punisher, who is so broken that he can kill. Repeatedly. Together it's an interesting look at superhero morality.

The Raft was mentioned a lot this season, but I don't recall it being mentioned in the Netflix shows before. Where else has this been referenced in the MCU?

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Post by Anna Raven » 16 Aug 2019, 13:39

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The Raft was mentioned a lot this season, but I don't recall it being mentioned in the Netflix shows before. Where else has this been referenced in the MCU?
The Raft was featured in Civil War. It's the prison where they were keeping Wanda, Falcon, Hawkeye, and Lang after the battle at the airport.
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Post by Nu-D » 16 Aug 2019, 13:46

According to Wikipedia:
In the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the Raft is located in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Sam Wilson / Falcon, Wanda Maximoff / Scarlet Witch, Clint Barton / Hawkeye and Scott Lang / Ant-Man are held in the prison in Captain America: Civil War after they help Steve Rogers / Captain America and Bucky Barnes / Winter Soldier evade capture in violation of the Sokovia Accords. Rogers subsequently breaks them out at the end of the film.

The Raft was mentioned by Jeffrey Mace in the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Slingshot episode "John Hancock". Jessica Jones talks about the Raft in the second-season episode "AKA Ain't We Got Fun" of Jessica Jones, while the third season makes repeated references to the prison such as Willis Stryker and Patricia "Trish" Walker being sentenced to the place.

An Easter egg pertaining to The Raft is also included in a deleted scene in the 2016 film Deadpool, in which the main antagonist Ajax is being escorted on a boat to "The Raft Prison". It is most likely cut out due to legal complications with the MCU which at the time the film was released Disney (the owner of Marvel) had not yet acquired most of Fox's film and TV assets including the film rights to X-Men, Fantastic Four and Deadpool until 2019.[8]
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Post by Anna Raven » 16 Aug 2019, 14:42

Keep in mind its not to be confused with "The Fridge" which is the prison in Agents of Shield where they were keeping the likes of the first Graviton, Man-Thing, and Blonsky.
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Post by Spectral Knight » 16 Aug 2019, 16:41

Nu-D wrote:
16 Aug 2019, 13:46
According to Wikipedia:
In the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the Raft is located in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Sam Wilson / Falcon, Wanda Maximoff / Scarlet Witch, Clint Barton / Hawkeye and Scott Lang / Ant-Man are held in the prison in Captain America: Civil War after they help Steve Rogers / Captain America and Bucky Barnes / Winter Soldier evade capture in violation of the Sokovia Accords. Rogers subsequently breaks them out at the end of the film.

The Raft was mentioned by Jeffrey Mace in the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Slingshot episode "John Hancock". Jessica Jones talks about the Raft in the second-season episode "AKA Ain't We Got Fun" of Jessica Jones, while the third season makes repeated references to the prison such as Willis Stryker and Patricia "Trish" Walker being sentenced to the place.

An Easter egg pertaining to The Raft is also included in a deleted scene in the 2016 film Deadpool, in which the main antagonist Ajax is being escorted on a boat to "The Raft Prison". It is most likely cut out due to legal complications with the MCU which at the time the film was released Disney (the owner of Marvel) had not yet acquired most of Fox's film and TV assets including the film rights to X-Men, Fantastic Four and Deadpool until 2019.[8]
I remembered the facility in Civil War, I just couldn't remember if it was explicitly mentioned as being the Raft, or if it was just assumed to be the same location.

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