Re: Random Thoughts

Cable · Post by **Cable** » 26 Jan 2023, 00:04

I like Spielberg but even so, Spielberg winning an Oscar for making a movie about Spielberg will epitomize Hollywood navel-gazing lol

Blackcyclops · Post by **Blackcyclops** » 26 Jan 2023, 02:09

I gotta agree with CBR, the one bog glaring superpower issue of the MCU is that super-strength has never really been fully portrayed. Even if the Hulk or Thor were supposed to be the strongest, it never really came across that way. Like if you were to translate them into comics, I’d say at best either of them was about as strong at Spider-man.

The MCU Avengers, even with captain Marvel would get their ass easily cooked by the DCEU Justice League…hell I think the Arrowverse Justice League would beat them.

I mean Ollie is definitely taking down Clint.
Arrowverse Supes and Supergirl drops Thor, Captain Marvel and the Hulk.
J’onn takes down Vision and Iron Man
White Canary take Black Widow I honestly think.
Black Lightning is too much for War Machine and Falcon and Bucky too tbh.

And Barry basically takes out anybody who manages to win their bout.

The only person truly giving them any challenge is Wanda…but by the end of Legends Sara knows how to deal with magic.

I love the MCU but they are chumps.

tokenBG1009 · Post by **tokenBG1009** » 26 Jan 2023, 02:17

I can't get behind the Woman King because of it's white washing of the Dahomi tribe.

Wakanda Forever, while acknowledging my Marvel bias, was the far better of the black female lead film of an African tribe. I 100% think Angela Bassett deserves the award based on her scenes in the UN meeting alone.

I agree with SK, but I'd take it further. I found Up to be extremely overhyped. I don't know if it's just because I couldn't find ANYTHING in that film to relate to, but the very idea of that movie bores me. Watching people react to Up, see Cinema Therapy's episode on it, does far more to stir me emotionally than the actual movie did.

Blackcyclops wrote: ↑
26 Jan 2023, 02:09
I gotta agree with CBR, the one bog glaring superpower issue of the MCU is that super-strength has never really been fully portrayed. Even if the Hulk or Thor were supposed to be the strongest, it never really came across that way. Like if you were to translate them into comics, I’d say at best either of them was about as strong at Spider-man.

The MCU Avengers, even with captain Marvel would get their ass easily cooked by the DCEU Justice League…hell I think the Arrowverse Justice League would beat them.

I mean Ollie is definitely taking down Clint.
Arrowverse Supes and Supergirl drops Thor, Captain Marvel and the Hulk.
J’onn takes down Vision and Iron Man
White Canary take Black Widow I honestly think.
Black Lightning is too much for War Machine and Falcon and Bucky too tbh.

And Barry basically takes out anybody who manages to win their bout.

The only person truly giving them any challenge is Wanda…but by the end of Legends Sara knows how to deal with magic.

I love the MCU but they are chumps.

100% agree on all fronts. The MCU is almost terrified of really letting their heroes show their strength. Thor's biggest feat is probably when he's helping forge Stormbringer. Hulk suplexes a giant ship/train thing, but he's no Sabin. Makari might be the best version of super speed we've seen in ANY superhero movie though.

Granted, at the same time, I've ALWAYS felt that Marvel never goes quite as far to show how stupidly powerful their heroes are compared to DC. Marvel's never going to do something so incomprehensible as "I can perceive events that last less than an attosecond" or Superman "pushing against the equivalent of 200 quintillion tons"

Blackcyclops · Post by **Blackcyclops** » 26 Jan 2023, 02:57

Oh yeah Thor definitely got a great durability feat there.

Yes I agree about Makkari. Say what you want about the film, that final fight was actually pretty good and Makkari’s super speed feats were great.

EphemeristX · Post by **EphemeristX** » 26 Jan 2023, 14:32

I just think that comes down to their old adage "The world outside your window." Marvel has always tried to fit more into the regular world. Actual Hulk strength would liquify anyone who isn't close to his level but they water him down to make him relatable. Captain America was able to hold back Thanos' hand for a few seconds. They scale everyone down for dramatic effect. DC, on the other hand, feels like an arms race: they just make everyone more powerful to catch up. It's like DBZ.

Blackcyclops · Post by **Blackcyclops** » 26 Jan 2023, 14:43

Yeah but I’d argue you can meet in the middle. I think the Arrowverse does a much better job of that. Which is wild because their quality overall was not on MCU level.

Ollie did survive some stuff a normal person wouldn’t but his strength and speed still fell considerably into the human range. Whereas Barry is understandably alot faster. And Kara being Supergirl is wayyyy stronger than a normal human, and they show it pretty consistently for a TV series that was on the CW.

Meanwhile Thor and Hulk’s strength got played down alot. While on the flipside Cap definitely got made to seem stronger than he usually is in comics.

It’s a nerdy nitpick but it’s something I always thought about.

Spectral Knight · Post by **Spectral Knight** » 26 Jan 2023, 16:51

I mean, when Hulk punched out that mahossive Chitauri carrier ship thingymajig was pretty damn impressive...

That said... I think "strength" in particular on film is so difficult to demonstrate, particularly in a 'combat' portrayal with other superhuman types. People might think Hulk's demolition of Loki in Avengers (and likewise Thor in Ragnarok) as primarily amusing (which it was) but forget Loki's durability - he's a super durable Frost Giant who took a massive amount of bullets in the chest without flinching, so it's a feat of itself, and Thor's an Asgardian Thunder-God.

The problem is when it's hoss vs hoss, a knock-out fight doesn't look as awe-inspiring. I equate it to the many, many Big Show vs Kane type matches in WWE - which were no where near as good as one of them taking on a smaller combatant and their strengths looking more visually impressive.

Blackcyclops · Post by **Blackcyclops** » 26 Jan 2023, 17:17

That was “ok” and really the one big feat they gave him. Similarly Thor got the best durability feat when he survived a star when forging bis axe.

The MCU has no problem with power feats though.

P-90 · Post by **P-90** » 26 Jan 2023, 21:00

One of the things I've always found annoying about the MCU is the lack of consistent power levels and how much lower on the power scale characters such as Thor, Hulk and Doctor Strange are when compared to the comic book original. It doesn't help that most of their battles have been against enemies with powers that are above the human norm so we often don't have anything real world to accurately scale the power levels, we seen Thor for example showing to be more powerful and a better fighter than Asgardian level enemies but you don't really get shown how much more powerful they are compared to humans and therefore any understanding of just how powerful Thor is.

Thor has shown small glimpses of his potential, such as his gladiator fight with Hulk or him flying through the Chitauri dropships in Infinity War but nothing really definitive. Then you get instances that derail anything that may have come before such as Hulk being so easily beaten by Thanos and Thor, the literal god of thunder and lightning somehow being repeatedly dropped by a jolt of electricity from an obedience disc.

tokenBG1009 · Post by **tokenBG1009** » 26 Jan 2023, 23:21

Honestly, the Eternals had the best portrayal of basically everything regarding super powers.

I understand why people aren't big fans of that movie, but it's better than people give it credit for in my opinion.

Blackcyclops · Post by **Blackcyclops** » 27 Jan 2023, 01:13

tokenBG1009 wrote: ↑
26 Jan 2023, 23:21
Honestly, the Eternals had the best portrayal of basically everything regarding super powers.

I understand why people aren't big fans of that movie, but it's better than people give it credit for in my opinion.

I mean you aren’t wrong.

BardicOne · Post by **BardicOne** » 27 Jan 2023, 01:55

Yes but Dean Cain Superman got to make out with Teri Hatcher as Lois Lane.... so I think he wins the Powers Contest.

Blackcyclops · Post by **Blackcyclops** » 27 Jan 2023, 02:11

BUT he had to be Dean Cain…

BardicOne · Post by **BardicOne** » 27 Jan 2023, 02:15

Of course. Being that classically handsome is his Power. Being Dean Cain is a Super Power.

Blackcyclops · Post by **Blackcyclops** » 27 Jan 2023, 02:58

Not a fan of Dean Cain lol

BardicOne · Post by **BardicOne** » 27 Jan 2023, 04:26

It's okay. I'm just being a joker. Though that is my favorite tv/movie versions of Lois and Clark.

das_boot · Post by **das_boot** » 27 Jan 2023, 09:25

Blackcyclops wrote: ↑
26 Jan 2023, 17:17
The MCU has no problem with power feats though.

While I agree with you, I think what adds to the realism of the MCU versus the DCU is that when a character does show a feat (so, for example, Hulk punching a Chitauri ship, Thor surviving a star, Cap grabbing a Helicopter and pretty much stopping it from flying away, Wanda straight up destroying an Infinity Stone), it’s moments of desperation and escalation. I always feel like my disbelief is never really suspended in the DC movies because I’m like “oh of course Superman’s just going to brute force his way through this” or “of course Batman has a gadget for that” or “Jason Momoa has no right to be so beautiful”. In the MCU it always feels like the stakes are a bit higher. Like, we’ve seen heroes die. We’ve seen them getting beaten. Badly.

I dunno. I think the only exception to the rule I can think of is Captain Marvel just straight up blasting through a Kree ship like it wasn’t a thing and hovering there like a bad ass— but even then, that’s a culmination of her “hero’s journey” and the fact that she’d basically just taken the limiters off.

P-90 · Post by **P-90** » 27 Jan 2023, 15:06

Usually I could not care less about clothing fashion in comic book art (unless it's notably dumb/weird/wrong etc.) but I've got to say the art on the covers on the current She-Hulk book have been amazing.

Blackcyclops · Post by **Blackcyclops** » 29 Jan 2023, 03:50

Stop whatever you are doing and watch Poker Face.

Blackcyclops · Post by **Blackcyclops** » 29 Jan 2023, 23:38

FLY EAGLES FLY!!!!

Magnus · Post by **Magnus** » 30 Jan 2023, 04:45

Blackcyclops wrote: ↑
29 Jan 2023, 23:38
FLY EAGLES FLY!!!!

Obviously you'll be happy whenever your team makes the SB but that was a really lame game, essentially ending on the first drive due to injury

Crutey Anth · Post by **Crutey Anth** » 01 Feb 2023, 06:07

I don't know what made me think of it but I realised (or think) that Americans don't have an equivalent expression for 'Piss take'

used 'what a piss-take' meaning 'what an absolute waste of time/joke/someone has taken a liberty'....can also be used in a joking way when someone has made fun of you (linked obviously to 'taking the piss'--which can be jokey and good natured or it can be someone who has really annoyed you with something they'ce done/said)

Obviously you can stay stuff like 'he's joshing with you'....but that's doesn't compare to looking at your colleage after you've been given some nightmare massive task which is pointless and just sighing 'what a piss-take that is'

This was my thought of the day

Anna Raven · Post by **Anna Raven** » 01 Feb 2023, 07:51

Is it like a "fool's errand" perhaps? Or a "wild goose chase"?

Spectral Knight · Post by **Spectral Knight** » 01 Feb 2023, 09:51

Crutey Anth wrote: ↑
01 Feb 2023, 06:07
I don't know what made me think of it but I realised (or think) that Americans don't have an equivalent expression for 'Piss take'

used 'what a piss-take' meaning 'what an absolute waste of time/joke/someone has taken a liberty'....can also be used in a joking way when someone has made fun of you (linked obviously to 'taking the piss'--which can be jokey and good natured or it can be someone who has really annoyed you with something they'ce done/said)

Obviously you can stay stuff like 'he's joshing with you'....but that's doesn't compare to looking at your colleage after you've been given some nightmare massive task which is pointless and just sighing 'what a piss-take that is'

This was my thought of the day

I also wonder if there's an equivalent for 'twat' - a word you can just about get away with publicly compared to it's harsher sibling (the c word).
Does rhyming slang also exist in the US - e.g berk?

Anna Raven wrote: ↑
01 Feb 2023, 07:51
Is it like a "fool's errand" perhaps? Or a "wild goose chase"?

Not really - calling something a piss-take usually implies a bit more annoyance/anger at the person/institution responsible - i.e. the one who's caused whatever the piss-take is, is taking the piss out of you by doing so.

I.e. "these new tax rules are a piss-take" - infers that the government / HMRC are taking the piss out of you/us with their implementation.

das_boot · Post by **das_boot** » 01 Feb 2023, 11:09

I think maybe the American version would be “is this a joke?” Or “are you screwing with me?”. But yeah I think “taking the piss” is absolutely a Britishism. Maybe an Aussie thing too?

All I know is that my favourite down-underism is “well, I’m not here to f*** spiders”

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