I watched that and absolutely was not surprised by this. I’ve definitely heard rumours before and honestly thought it was something that had already been made public knowledge. I kind of feel like there have been enough female comedians (Kathryn Ryan, notably mentioned a big name in comedy where it was an open secret that they were a sex offender waiting to be caught in an interview with Louis Theroux) who have alluded to this kind of behaviour over the years.Spectral Knight wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 09:56How well recognised is Russell Brand to a US audience? Know he's been in a number of Hollywood films but don't know how public a figure he is in the US mainstream.
One of our big television channels did an expose of him and allegations of sexual assault and rape. For anyone with a passing interest in the UK comedy scene, this was pretty much an open secret, along with allegations against other mid-high tier comedy acts (Stephen K Amos, David Walliams, David Jason are all names widely discussed).
What's infuriating is that normally sensible people are coming out with "presumption of innocence" type messaging. I get not wanting to add fuel to the fire when accusations are unproven, and that legally speaking, they are right but surely the most prudent thing to do is stay silent. I honestly can't believe any journalists or commentators in the public space have not heard these rumours about Brand, if I, as a lowly punter, have known about them for years. That he's been pushing an anti MSM message (after years of profiteering from the MSM, but hey ho) doesn’t mean this is a set up job by them, for all the flaws of the media.
Conversely there's a "believe victims" trope played out that equally annoys me as it's so naive. Why can't we, regardless of personal or political affinity agree that such accusations need to be taken extremely seriously. That doesn’t mean all allegations should be believed unquestionably but surely should not be dismissed as media slurs either.
It also highlights massively the lack of faith in the competence of the authorities to properly investigate such allegations fairly and effectively that too often complainants have to rely on the media, and how these open secrets can be allowed to circulate without criminal investigation. Trial by media isn't right, for obvious reasons, but clearly the shambles of repeated failings by the plod over decades haven't helped matters at all.
I think part of the discourse has to be that you need to look at these women and realise how powerless they must have felt compared to him. This is someone who made absolutely no secret of what he liked to get up to with sexual partners within his “comedy” shows and I expect in addition to the “no one would believe me” aspect of sexual assault survivors, there’s also the addition that when someone is THAT open about liking rough sex, that it would be argued that they knew what they were getting themselves into, which is an absolutely faulty narrative and almost implies that consent cannot be withdrawn, which it absolutely can.
While the allegations from the girl who was only 16 at the time is wildly concerning, there’s also a huge ethical question that he was picking up folk from AA meetings. It shows total predatory behaviour.