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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by Nu-D » 07 Dec 2018, 12:15

I’ll never understand the hate. It’s not like she cheated on her wife and abandoned her newborn then cheated on her second wife and murdered her father figure.

Or took some innocent teenagers and turned them into a militia and sent them off to their deaths, and enslaved a sentient being.

Or was, you know, a super villain.
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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by Blackcyclops » 07 Dec 2018, 12:25

I don’t hate Kitty, I just never found her to be that interestinf. That’s true with Beast too and Warren whenever he wasn’t Archangel.
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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by Nu-D » 07 Dec 2018, 12:29

Blackcyclops wrote:
07 Dec 2018, 12:25
I don’t hate Kitty, I just never found her to be that interestinf. That’s true with Beast too and Warren whenever he wasn’t Archangel.
Sure, that makes sense. She is supposed to be an everyperson. If you make are two unique and interesting then she won’t be relatable. Kind of bland is the order of the day

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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by Blackcyclops » 07 Dec 2018, 12:51

That’s true...like I said I don’t actually her. Now I used to hate Jean though. I do prefer my heroes to be tragic in some regard or “cool” (Rogue is a combination of both for example).
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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by das_boot » 07 Dec 2018, 13:32

Cable wrote:
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Kitty is the worst ever leader of the X-Men. That puts her up there with Cyclops, Wolverine, and Storm.
Cable, I had to fix your comment. It doesn’t put her up there with Cyclops et al. She’s literally been the least effective leader of the X-Men that we’ve ever seen, and while I admit that I hate the character anyway, and the writing was just terrible, but the writing is what it is— basically she ignored that her team telepath was clearly not okay because she was too busy planning her disaster of a wedding. Most of their missions during her leadership have ended up with someone wounded or her team losing the fight. It’s not even as if she’s had major events that have cropped up during her time as leader. She hasn’t had to deal with the extinction of most Mutants, mass de-powering, cosmic threats, or even, really, any kind of massive major villain threat. She’s not had to deal with traitors... I dunno. I really don’t see what she’s done as a “leader” to warrant being placed in as high regard as a leader as the others you mentioned.
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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by Nu-D » 07 Dec 2018, 13:47

Look, I love Storm. But it’s pretty hard not to see her leadership as the worst ever. Under her leadership the entire team disintegrated.

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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by Blackcyclops » 07 Dec 2018, 14:07

See I will say this, Logan, Storm and Cyke all led the X-Men as an organization (not just team leaders, which I think better fits Rogue, Kurt and Angel) through very perilous times. Kitty has basically led them through times in which stuff wasn’t “end of mutantkind” all without Xavier’s guidance. Cyclops and Logan had M-Day’s aftermath. Storm had the M-Pox.

That’s not to disqualify Kitty, just want to contextualize her leadership. Cause even when she led the JGS, Logan was still a round
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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by Nu-D » 07 Dec 2018, 14:11

Kitty is definitely an “establishment” character. But of course, so was Cyclops for 45 years.

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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by EphemeristX » 07 Dec 2018, 21:18

This Kitty conversation is kinda funny after
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having read that holiday special. President Pryde, huh?
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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by tokenBG1009 » 09 Dec 2018, 15:01

EphemeristX wrote:
07 Dec 2018, 21:18
This Kitty conversation is kinda funny after
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having read that holiday special. President Pryde, huh?
Kitty, to Marvel, always seems like the personification of Xavier's dream fulfilled.
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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by Nu-D » 09 Dec 2018, 17:34

Chris C, we love you, but Kitty for president in 616 proves definitively that you’ve gone off the rails.

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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by tokenBG1009 » 10 Dec 2018, 06:47

Nu-D wrote:
09 Dec 2018, 17:34
Chris C, we love you, but Kitty for president in 616 proves definitively that you’ve gone off the rails.
Yet, I can't think of anyone else who would have the role from the X-Men. Jean would be the only one I could possibly think of.
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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by Anna Raven » 10 Dec 2018, 08:20

tokenBG1009 wrote:
10 Dec 2018, 06:47
Nu-D wrote:
09 Dec 2018, 17:34
Chris C, we love you, but Kitty for president in 616 proves definitively that you’ve gone off the rails.
Yet, I can't think of anyone else who would have the role from the X-Men. Jean would be the only one I could possibly think of.
Actually I think the MOST likely would be Warren. Rich, handsome, probably has some connections. Then Jean, then Kitty.
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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by tokenBG1009 » 10 Dec 2018, 09:38

Anna Raven wrote:
10 Dec 2018, 08:20
tokenBG1009 wrote:
10 Dec 2018, 06:47
Nu-D wrote:
09 Dec 2018, 17:34
Chris C, we love you, but Kitty for president in 616 proves definitively that you’ve gone off the rails.
Yet, I can't think of anyone else who would have the role from the X-Men. Jean would be the only one I could possibly think of.
Actually I think the MOST likely would be Warren. Rich, handsome, probably has some connections. Then Jean, then Kitty.
Yeah, but Warren somehow sucks more than Kitty. I can't name an interesting thing he's done that doesn't involve Archangel. His only interesting bits are when he's going through a villain arc. Kitty at least has some personality.
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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by EphemeristX » 10 Dec 2018, 17:00

The thing that everyone forgets about Warren is that he was actually a superhero BEFORE he became an X-Man. He was also a Champion (alongside Iceman). He was saving people from burning buildings in the middle of the night in the earliest days of the modern age. His personal drive for heroism is something that I think is often ignored in modern interpretations of the character.
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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by Cable » 10 Dec 2018, 17:23

Warren would have to run as a Republican. He is too WASPy to win the Democratic primary.
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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by EphemeristX » 10 Dec 2018, 17:47

Well, he's got a visible mutation, so I don't think he'd win a Republican primary either.
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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by Nu-D » 10 Dec 2018, 18:02

EphemeristX wrote:
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The thing that everyone forgets about Warren is that he was actually a superhero BEFORE he became an X-Man.
Is that even canon anymore? One forgotten backup story from 45 years ago? Has it ever been mentioned since? I feel like this falls into the same zone as Cyclops’ time with Jack of Diamonds: not explicitly retconned out, but for all intents and purposes forgotten and best left that way.

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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by Anna Raven » 10 Dec 2018, 18:07

Nu-D wrote:
10 Dec 2018, 18:02
EphemeristX wrote:
10 Dec 2018, 17:00
The thing that everyone forgets about Warren is that he was actually a superhero BEFORE he became an X-Man.
Is that even canon anymore? One forgotten backup story from 45 years ago? Has it ever been mentioned since? I feel like this falls into the same zone as Cyclops’ time with Jack of Diamonds: not explicitly retconned out, but for all intents and purposes forgotten and best left that way.
Well it made it into his backstory in the X-Men Evolution cartoon (which is now getting pretty old itself I guess). That's how I learned of it's existence.
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Post by EphemeristX » 10 Dec 2018, 18:21

Yeah, Warren was The Avenging Angel. It was referenced multiple times and there was even a miniseries in the 90s dealing with that time in his life.
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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by Spectral Knight » 10 Dec 2018, 18:57

If any character from the X-men would be president, it's definitely Chuck. Rich, white old guy with inherited wealth and a military career. He'd be odds on.
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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by Blackcyclops » 10 Dec 2018, 20:43

Spectral Knight wrote:
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If any character from the X-men would be president, it's definitely Chuck. Rich, white old guy with inherited wealth and a military career. He'd be odds on.

I think he could run and win in the 1960s or maybe even the 1970s Democratic party (his opposition to Vietnam would conflict with his support for small specialized militas)...He’s too liberal to have won in the 90s (the party shifted to the middle then) and definitely would have had some of that Obama swag in 2008 to prolly win but I think his “establishment” qualities (old money white guy with military background) might not cut it in today’s Democratic party and he’s definitely too liberal (and practical) to run as a part of Trump’s party (you can imagine a Jeb Bush or Kasich led GOP to look very very different).
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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by Spectral Knight » 10 Dec 2018, 21:56

Still, more likely than Kitty...!
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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by Anna Raven » 10 Dec 2018, 22:28

Was thinking, Sunspot might have a shot too.
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Re: Marvel's Top 10 X-Men

Post by Blackcyclops » 10 Dec 2018, 23:19

Anna Raven wrote:
10 Dec 2018, 22:28
Was thinking, Sunspot might have a shot too.

Not USborn.

In all seriousness, Kitty would be pretty qualified, as far as X-Men go, to run for office in the modern US context
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