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Marvel 2099

Post by Blackcyclops » 01 Dec 2019, 20:17

Very interesting story here...I actually think that this Doom isn’t the same 2099 Doom.
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Re: Marvel 2099

Post by Omnicon » 01 Dec 2019, 20:21

Could be. There are also two Spider-Men 2099.

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Re: Marvel 2099

Post by Blackcyclops » 01 Dec 2019, 20:37

Omnicon wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 20:21
Could be. There are also two Spider-Men 2099.
I think there’s only 1 now...Miguel was altered by the blue wave...
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Re: Marvel 2099

Post by Lavettye » 01 Dec 2019, 21:58

The cover to Alpha is mis-leading, this isn't about the characters we originally saw in the 2099 line.

The second to last page of the 2099 Alpha one-shot has an article about the conception of the new series and editor Nick Lowe's involvement. Itmentions that are exactly in the middle now… it's been 80 years since the Timely/Marvel got started in 1939, and it's 80 years till we reach the year 2099, and that's why they are doing these one-shots now. The article goes on to mention:

"We've revisited the 2099 a bunch of times since its inception in 1992, but for this one, Nick wanted to do it differently.
The whole approach was to try and reimagine the future of the Marvel U differently than that epic list of creators did back in 1992 but with similar methodology. Nick wanted to look at how futurism had changed since the '90s and give a more 2019 look at it. [….]So we put together an incredible group of current creators to lay out the new future for the Marvel Universe
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reimagine differently, new future -> These clearly aren't the same characters, so that's not the Doom 2099 you knew.
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Re: Marvel 2099

Post by Blackcyclops » 01 Dec 2019, 22:07

I know it’s reimagined, I Read the book too lol, but it’s not just a random reimagining (at least in-universe).

If you start with the Amazing Spider-man issue you see that Miguel explains that 2099 is THE future of the Marvel U (for now anyway) and that the future is always changing.

Then in this book we see that Doom took over the world after a big battle and erased everyone’s memories of the heroes (and of the heroes themselves...thus why Miguel has no memories of being Spidey)

But my question was, perhaps this Doom is a new Doom (the original 2099 Doom can be seen in Amazing Spider-man giving instruction to Miguel about saving the future).
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Re: Marvel 2099

Post by RingOtaku » 02 Dec 2019, 18:31

The recent PAD Spider-Man 2099 series ended with the heavy implication that one version of 2099 was the direct future of the current 616 but Miguels time traveling and the Secret Wars universal reboot had altered that reality so that it was not the 2099 we started with when it was its own line. I feel like the implication with these current books is the base concept of 2099 (megacorps and characters who are legacy heroes of present 616 super-identities) is the future of 616 but that the original 2099 timeline is done and over. This is like 2099 v3.4 or something if you chart all the "throwback" stories done over the years. Kind of like New Universe and NewUniversal.
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Re: Marvel 2099

Post by Blackcyclops » 02 Dec 2019, 20:00

Yeah that’s exactly how I read it...

Miguel specifically says the future is always changing but the essence of 2099 is the 616’s future like it was always intended to be.

The thing is that the current 2099 is different because of something this Doom did...but the kinda implicit message is that THIS Doom is different (not because of temporal changes but a different person) than the old Doom. My clue to that is Uatu’s warnings, Doom seemingly being on Miguel’s side in his flashbacks and a guy with a very Doom-esque bandaged face in this issue.
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Re: Marvel 2099

Post by grief » 07 Dec 2019, 19:21

I've really been enjoying the 2099 books so far. As a big fan of the OG 2099, I'm always super skeptical of Marvel revisiting the characters/concepts, but they've done a pretty good job with this. I like reinterpreting what 2099 is rather than sticking hardcore to the established continuity.

FF 2099 - Given how the OG 2099 line ended, a bleak ending is a welcome thing to me, and FF 2099 delivers on that. I like the continued theme of finding family, of creating a family from friendship, and bonding through shared trauma. Obviously that didn't go very far, as the real horror here is HERBIE and it's story. OG-FF 2099 was my least favorite title from the line, as it really struggled to add anything of note or interpret the FF in an interesting way, and I feel like this one-shot kind of echoes that feeling.

Punisher 2099 - Punisher 2099 was REALLY over the top and ridiculous and kind of silly in a dark way, so I actually like this more grounded version. The character is still built around dealing justice to a world where the law is being manipulated by the system, but less silly. I like that Jake Gallows was still included, and still had his very hard-line, almost psychopathic drive. I also think that the new design just looks better than Jake's original look. I didn't care much for the reinterpretation of the Thorites, as Thor himself has generally modernized pretty well over the years, and yet they still seem to be drawing from an interpretation that's hundreds of years old. I'm not saying this can't happen; it just feels weird to me. Why draw from so far in the past when an more modern take is known?

Conan 2099 - The weirdest book, to me. But it manages to bridge that solitary, literary feel that Jason Aaron's Conan has been conveying with the 2099 setting pretty well. It definitely feels like it's happening off on it's own, like, this could be ANY futuristic setting, not so much the 2099 timeline, but that's not a bad thing to me. The story is interesting and smart, with Conan proving to be more than just a muscle bound warrior.

Ghost Rider 2099 - I mean...this is basically OG Ghost Rider 2099 condensed down into a one-shot. Like, literally, the driving conflict of OG Ghost Rider 2099 was Zero's destroyed relationship with his father, and through that, mega-corp America. I loved seeing Warewolf, Phrack, and 2600 again, as well as Kylie. Where the rest of the books feel more like a reinterpretation, this is just a repeat. The only real change is that Zero is an ACTUAL spirit of vengeance here, and having 90's metal-faced Blaze be the one to confront him was neat.

Venom 2099 - I never felt like Venom was as important in 2099 as it was in the 1990s, so I was really intrigued to see how Venom would get re-done here. And it's not bad - it plays upon established Venom ideas, like the symbiote as a cure-all, (mega) corporations wanting to utilize that, and a reluctant host. I was totally sad that the character didn't resemble OG Venom 2099 at all, because it's a weird, kinda terrible design, but at least it stands out, whereas this one doesn't look visually distinct at all. The basic story is good, and I'd like to see more, but it doesn't read as anything special.

So far so good to me. Sad that the X-Men didn't get a re-invent this go around, but I'm enjoying this so far.
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Re: Marvel 2099

Post by Blackcyclops » 11 Dec 2019, 12:41

I did not see that coming with Doom 2099...so I guess this is Doom then. Which confuses me as to why he was trying to initially help Miguel...
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